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Posted on 02/02/2010 8:22:27 AM PST by Lucky9teen

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To: Lucky9teen
I think I got removed from the list. Can you check, please?

It's not in my ping list.

401 posted on 05/05/2010 5:32:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MomwithHope

Seeing Hurley break down on the beach just broke my heart. I really want to see how this all ends and at the same time I don’t want it to end! What a great show!


402 posted on 05/05/2010 6:34:54 AM PDT by pgkdan (I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MomwithHope

Sayid redeemed himself by trying to save lives. Sayid is a hero—I will miss him.

Sun and Jin’s death has me so sad I can’t stand it. I had a terrible night’s sleep and I am tearing up again just thinking about it! If the finale is this emotional, I may need recovery time!

I also kept worrying about Charlie’s ring that Sun had found in Aaron’s crib. She never had a chance to give it to Claire.

Also, Do you guys think Frank is dead? I liked him too.

What a tragic episode.


403 posted on 05/05/2010 6:36:21 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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Frank is dead I think. I've been watching starting season 1 about a month ago and am into the end of season 3. I'm catching all kinds of interesting tidbits. Season 3 is when they first talk about Jacob and the patch guy Mikhael first tells Kate she is not on Jacob's list. We hear it again this season. It's looking like the ALT timeline is the one that goes on. Juliet says "it worked" to James. He'll remember that soon I think and somehow Jacob will talk to whoever is left through Hurley that they have alternate selves that are continuing on. It will give them some comfort about those who have died.

I wonder will there be any wrap up on Bernard and Rose? Also wonder what happened to Ben and Widmore?Let's see.... Hurley will be happy with Libby, Sun and Jin are together, they still have to get Charlie and Claire together, will Kate and James wind up together. Sayid gets arrested by James. Not a happy ending. Ben and his daugter are alive and well. Locke is happy in his chair about to be married to Helen. Helen died in the original timeline. Jack has a fine son and is married to....?? And if Juliet said "it worked" well doesn't that mean she is still on the island?? Desmond and Penny -not sure what will happen there.

Who will be left to deal with Flocke?? My guess is Sawyer,Jack,Richard and Ben. I think Kate, Hugo, and Claire die next. Widmore's sub is toast but he can ring up anoher one I thnk.

404 posted on 05/05/2010 9:52:51 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Wake up America we are at war with militant Islam and progressives - 2 fronts.)
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To: ShadowAce

Yes, you are on it...but when I sent out the ping last night, I had to use an older list, since I almost forgot to ping and had to do it from home.

I have updated my list on my profile page now, so I can refer there in the future. ;)

Sorry about that.


405 posted on 05/05/2010 3:50:48 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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RECAP TIME!!



Things I Noticed - "The Candidate" by Vozzek69
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THINGS I NOTICED - The Candidate

In case it hadn't occurred to you yet, The Candidate was a slap-in-the-face reminder of one sure thing: the end is drawing near. It had thrills, chills, chaos and death, but it also had a pace that worked really well for how quickly it advanced the storyline. Also, for the first time in a while, there was a solid balance between on and off island... maybe because the alternate timeline scenes were totally excellent this week. Things I Noticed:

I'll See You That Mortar Strike, and Raise You a Hit-and-Run Accident
Maybe it's because the timelines seem to be merging, or pehaps it's because we now have six seasons of the show for comparison. Either way, the parallels and mirror image scenes on LOST have been increasing geometrically. Jack saving Locke's life off-island is reflected by Locke saving Jack's back at the beach, and that's without even going into the constant repetition of dialogue this episode.

Locke's guilt over his accident is holding him back, keeping him from believing he deserves a second chance. Later on Jack would hand him some sincere and poignant reasons for wiping the Tabula Rasa, but for right now Locke is content to keep things the way they are. That's when we see that maybe Jack hasn't changed at all. Although he's fixed the David situation, he still can't stop trying to save everyone. Locke's problem? He still hasn't learned to put himself first.

As we see later on, both of these characters need to let go. By still clinging to their old ideologies, they're still unable to 'see' the truth. For Desmond, it took a stark visual reminder in the form of Charlie underwater. But for Jack and Locke... throughout duplicated scenarios and repeat dialogue, these characters still don't get it. They're still blinded by the inability to break out of their old bad habits. They simple can't see the forest for the trees... despite Bernard handing Jack a chainsaw and practically pull-starting it for him this episode.

This Just In: Kate Austen is Officially Superfluous
Six years later, it's disappointing to see that Sawyer still hasn't learned. Every single time you hand the rifle back to someone after disarming (and humiliating) them, they're going to nail you right in the balls with it. In complying with "put the gun down", just for once I'd like to see Sawyer chuck it into the jungle, making the poor asshole have to go pick it up and saving his balls in the process. Nice disarm on doughboy though.

In all honesty, when Widmore first got to the island I thought he was going to be a refreshing change when it came to getting some direct answers. The way he spoke so frankly to Jin after capturing him seemed pretty legit, and I was hoping for some oldschool enlightenment. Turns out I was wrong. Charles Widmore is the same cryptic, dickish ringleader as everyone else, locking our heroes in a cage at gunpoint without even a hint of explanation other than the old standby: "It's for your own good."

His only real contribution so far? Bringing Desmond to the island. That, and letting us know that Kate never had any true purpose on the island at all. Either this makes her character totally redundant, or she's still somehow flying under everyone's radar. The jury's still out on that one, but I really want to know why Jacob touched her nose.

Bernard's Face: Full of Smug, Knowing Answers or Just Bonelessly Creepy?
The answer is BOTH. Not only are Bernard's facial expressions creepy in a horrified Gumby sort of way, but the man is also totally in on things. The dialogue he shares with Jack lends assloads of credence to my original theory that both Rose and Bernard know what's going on... both on the island during The Incident and off the island in the flash-sideways timeline.

"You mind if I ask you why you're so interested in Mr. Locke... Jack?" Listen to Bernard casually add Jack's name to the end of that sentence, as if they're old island buddies. Also watch the knowing smile that crosses Bernard's face immediately afterward, as Jack searches for the answer to his question. "Oceanic 815. Pretty weird huh? Maybe you're onto something, here."

It's more than obvious that Bernard knows. Just as he couldn't stop Juliet from marching off to her death by giving her direct answers, he can't tell Jack exactly what he needs to know. "I can't break patient confidentiality and tell you something I shouldn't. This is a punch-to-the-gut metaphor for "I can't pull back the curtain Jack, you need to do that yourself." Bernard does skirt the line however, sending Jack in the right direction by writing him a quick prescription for the truth.

In many ways, the whole situation is reminiscent of Locke's words to Charlie, all the way back during The Moth. Bernard could take his knife, gently widen the opening, and allow Jack to go free. If he did this however, Jack might be too weak to survive. The struggle - in this case, the struggle for personal growth - is the very thing that strengthens the person in question. It prepares him for the world outside the cocoon... or in this case, outside the realm of the island.

There's also one recurring thread woven throughout the alternate timeline, and it gets mentioned again here by Bernard: 3 years. Everything important that happened in our character's lives seemed to have occurred three years ago. Since the flash-sideways timeline presumably takes place in 2004, that puts Locke's accident somewhere in 2001, and this means little to us. Yet if we believe this person to be our Bernard - the lovable dentist who remembers spending three years on the island with Rose, Vincent, and a shitload of canned goods - then to him it's actually 2007 right now.

This may solve the single biggest problem most people have with assuming the real and sideways universe can't be running concurrently: the fact that they're separated by three years. Yet when you start viewing things from the perspective of someone like Rose or Bernard, it actually synchs up the two timelines nicely. These people have already lived those years, and even characters who've died (Charlie, Libby, Keamy, etc..) may have also experienced that same amount of time go by. Perhaps it somehow is 2007, and the rest of our characters have yet to realize it.

That whole theory's pretty kooky, and it admittedly still needs lots of work. I'm open to anything that supports it or tears it down, but either way, the repeated reference to 3 years is definitely something we should explore further.

Welcome... To HYDRA ISLAND!
That seemed kinda off, didn't it? I guess with all the canoe-trips and flip-flopping between storylines (and timelines), the writers felt the need to explain exactly where we are these days. And while we're on the subject of flip-flopping, let's talk briefly about the difference between night and day.

Continuity errors aside, there has to be something up with the passing of time on the island. Over the past several weeks we've watched night turn to day in a just matter of hours, and vice versa. This week's episode was no different, and these huge gaps in time are getting to the point where they're actually pretty distracting.

As Sawyer tells Kate, it feels like we're running in circles. Timewise, those circles now seem to be getting smaller and smaller. If this is intentional, perhaps the island is shifting or moving through time, as we saw way back in season four with Daniel's rocket. Also remember how night turned to day when Frank flew the chopper to the freighter, and how the same thing happened when Frank flew Ajira 316 back to the island. Day and night mean very little when it comes to the time storm surrounding the island, and if that storm is moving (or the circle of the island's influence slowly closing) it could explain many of these changes.

Back on the beach, the dark man flat out lies to Jack's face - and Jack almost seems to know it. Unfortunately he doesn't fully piece everything together until later on, when he sees the bomb. "I could kill you Jack, right here, right now", the dark man tells him. "And I could kill every single one of your friends, and there's not a thing that you can do to stop me."

Examine Terry O'Quinn's mannerisms and you'll see a lot of suppressed frustration here. As viewers, we already know his words aren't true. The MIB can't touch the candidates directly, as the boy in the jungle has so laughingly reminded him. Flocke has had to play follow the leader for most of this season, and at this point his patience is wearing very thin. Just as he thought the game was over, he's had to come up with yet another loophole - this time one to kill off the candidates - and now on top of this, Jack suddenly doesn't want to leave the island. We already know the man in black is way past the point of wanting to still play games, and yet countermoves are somehow still being executed against him.

One more thing about this scene: the top half of Locke's scar is gone. Maybe it's nothing, or maybe it's something... but it was very, very noticeable. Going out on a limb, maybe it somehow represents the merging of timelines - the transition of scar-free LAX_Locke back to the island. Or maybe (if you're still on board with the whole Jacob/MIB being two halves of a whole idea), Jacob's essence is slowly healing that scar. Kind of far fetched, but it did stick out in my mind.

Two Dozen Sonic Fence Posts? Check. Pair of Giant Donut Magnets? Check. GPS-guided Mortar? Check. Backup Generator? Uh oh...
And so, in the end, Charles Widmore's master plan is foiled by a complete lack of foresight. In the blink of an eye, his once sharp-looking crew of monster-hunting veterans are reduced to a bunch of panic-stricken freshmen, shooting rifles into the jungle that may just as well have been water pistols.

So I'm watching this scene thinking: "Wait... are Widmore's people really shooting at the smoke monster? Really???" Yup. And again, this kinda sucks. While the monster scenes are always cool to watch, I was expecting a hell of a lot more out of Widmore. Unlike Bram or Illana, Charles spent a lot of time on the island. You'd think he should know better. At the very least though, smokie's infiltration of Widmore's encampment paves the way for a rather predictible and joyous upcoming event: the death of Zoe (let's hope).

It All Comes Back Around... Especially If You're Anthony Cooper
Jack's tireless efforts to fix things, tempered by Bernard's gentle elbow to the ribcage, puts him at the nursing home of Anthony Cooper. Helen tries talking Jack out of continuing his investigation with: "You saved John. Why can't that be enough?" And Jack, speaking for all of us, answers back quite simply: "Because it's not."

Damn straight, Jack. At this point, nothing is enough. With only a few hours of LOST left, I expect each week to be a whole avalanche of answers. And if you're going to introduce yet another strange mystery (i.e. how Locke and his dad got hurt), you'd better answer that mystery within the same damned episode, just like you did right here.

Anyway, as Helen wheeled a catatonic Anthony Cooper into view I was reminded sharply of two things. One was Captain Pike of the original Star Trek. The second? The guy sitting in the old chair back at Jacob's cabin, the one who eerily called out "Help me..."

There are a lot of ways to explain Cooper's vegetative state, but none of them are definitive. It's entirely possible his condition is purely physiological; the result of Locke's bad pilotage. Still, I can't help but think of George Minkowski, or Daniel's girlfriend Theresa. The Anthony Cooper we see here has a strangely haunted look to him, as if a large part of him were missing. With so little time left we might never really know, but in the back of my own mind I keep hearing that guy in the cabin calling for help. And if anyone on LOST deserves to be time-stuck in some kind of jaunt-like limbo hell, we can all agree that it's Coop.

Somebody Set Us Up The Bomb. Still Not Sure Who It Was
The Ajira plane has always been a bone of contention with me. It's never sat well that LOST could end with our main characters just flying off into the sunset, and if Frank were at the helm the whole thing would be even more campy. At times I could even picture him pulling back on the control wheel just as he ran out of runway, open shirt flapping wildly, landing gear skimming the tree-tops as Frank wiped sweat from his brow and made wisecracks about things being "too close for comfort". Ugh.

So yeah, I for one was happy to see the plane wired to explode. But who exactly did it? Widmore's people would be the most logical answer of course, but it seems pretty silly for Charles to think he could just blow up the smoke monster. And since I never once believed the man in black would escape the island by airplane, I can only assume Widmore would be thinking along those lines too.

So did Flocke wire the plane to go off? Makes sense, if you think about it. He wants all the candidates dead in one fell swoop, and by wiring the explosives to the electrical system he's allowing them to kill themselves by powering the airplane up. Maybe once Jack announced he wasn't leaving the island, Flocke decided on a whole different plan - the submarine. He does take the dead guy's wristwatch before 'discovering' the explosives, and on the fly, quickly improvises a bomb.

Could've also been the Ben/Richard/Miles triple-threat, but I'd imagine they would've set the bomb off right away rather than rig it to go off later on. Who the hell knows. One thing's for sure though: when Locke talks about Widmore "gathering everyone in one spot" and the trying to kill them? He's actually talking about his own plan. Coming out of the airplane and immediately showing off those bricks of C-4 was a great way to gain the trust and credibility Flocke would later use to manipulate everyone onto the sub.

In the Alt-Universe, That Vending Machine Works Just Fine
In the LAX timeline we're shown a tremendous array of parallels and mirror images, including a shot of Jack and Claire even looking into a mirror together. Jack's Apollo bar falls this time, no push needed. Catch a Rising Star plays on a Claire's new music box. The two of them have a "Wow we took the exact same flight from Sydney!" moment, which in my opinion is getting pretty stale by now. Jack even offers Claire a family-friendly invitation to stay with him, in an effort to make up for lost time.

The most interesting things we get however, are the semi-conscious rantings of John Locke. His island experiences are crossing over to the LAX timeline, including memories of pushing the button. Locke even utters the phrase "I wish you had believed me", directly from his suicide note.

Things are moving faster and faster in the alt. Almost every single scene contains a parallel to some prior event or line of dialogue. Just as things on the island are accelerating, the same is happening in the off-island world. I think that's what they're trying to show us with all of this recycled imagery.

Sayid Can Snap the Most Necks, but Jack's Got the Meanest Rifle-Face, Hands Down
"John Locke told me I needed to stay." It was an awesome line, made ten times more awesome by Jack following it up by shoving the MIB into the water. I was pretty sure all hell was going to break loose after that, and of course it did. But after the many references to his aversion to water, I also expected the dark man to be a lot more affected than he seemed to be. Instead, he just got wet.

Apparently Jack's not a man who believes in cover. As we saw from his A-Team days in Dharma, Jack's reaction to being shot at is pretty standard: march toward your enemy with a sneer and an outstretched arm, firing the whole time. It's almost as if Jack knows he's invincible, or doesn't really care. All that matters to him at this point is getting his friends off the island.

The ensuing shootout took place exactly the way Flocke wanted it, all the way down to the very last detail: Sawyer locking him out of the submarine. It stands to reason that the MIB knew of Sawyer's distrust the whole time, even after he'd thanked him outside of that airplane. Understand that the dark man's been playing these types of games for centuries, unwillingly or not. Over hundreds of years and with an advesary like Jacob? He's gotten very, very good at manipulation.

His last move is a good one: planting a bomb that can only be triggered by the person who is holding it. This is where the MIB finally puts Sawyer in checkmate... as much as Sawyer mistrusts the smoke monster, his distrust of Jack is equally great. After what happened to Juliet, Sawyer's not one for letting things just 'play out'. This is why he can't watch the bomb's timer count harmlessly down to zero, and this is why he triggers the real bomb by yanking out the fake battery leads.

It's Jack who figures things out, and he actually does it in time to save everyone. Logically, the whole thing is pretty simple: if the MIB wanted them all dead, he would've killed them if he could. Why go through the trouble of a hastily rigged bomb when he could just smoke anyone at any time? "What if he hasn't killed us because he's not allowed to?" Jack asks his captive audience. "What if he's trying to get us to kill each other?"

Bingo, yet Sawyer just can't see it. Jack's words of "nothing's going to happen" are echoed in season two, where he tells Locke the same thing about pushing the button. These words are repeated again that season by Locke when he loses faith in the button and tells Eko the same exact thing. In both those cases the button gets pushed anyway, just as Sawyer pushes another type of button right here, right now. And upon doing so, Sawyer inadvertently sends a few more people to the other side.

Pushing the proverbial button is and always has been LOST's ultimate test of faith. It defines what's real and what's not real. It separates the idea of unalterable fate from the power to actually write your own destiny. When you boil everything else down far enough, it's the essence of the entire show.

Because It's Going To Be You, Jack
I took Sayid's last words as pretty inarguable evidence that Jack is indeed the candidate. I'm sure someone will argue it of course, but definitely not with me.

It always sucks to see our main characters die, knowing we'll never see them in action again. Even on LOST, where the dead can show up at any time, losing someone we've known and loved for so long can really sting... even on a TV show. Sayid was certainly one of LOST's best characters. And although we probably lost him a half dozen or so episodes ago, it was good to see him go out doing something both redeeming and important. Martyring himself here, just as he and Essam had planned to do way back in season one, was certainly something Sayid did for The Greater Good.

It's also comforting to recognize that Sayid made it as far as he did. Knowing LOST will end in three weeks takes a lot of the sting out of losing even the oldest and most kickass of characters. Every time you get the urge to dust off your LOST disc set, it'll be nice to remember that no matter what happens you've got nearly six full seasons of Sayid. And in each one of them, he's snapping a bunch of necks.

Frank! You Could've Been a Contender...
Just as Lapidus almost kicked open the cage door this episode, his character almost mattered. Don't get me wrong, because I love Frank. He had lots of potential. The problem is, he was never really allowed to live up to it. As the story progressed and new people kept coming, they allowed Frank Lapidus to fall by the wayside. His once cool character degenerated into a syrupy mess of comedic one-liners, and along with it, any importance he might've once had.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I got the feeling the writers never really had a solid ending for Frank. At some point they just started using him to take the edge off the more serious happenings on the show. What sucks most is that Frank isn't even acknowledged at the end of this episode, when everyone washes up on the beach. Even Nikki and Paulo got a eulogy, but all Frank got was a "Where's Sun and Jin?"

RIP Frank. If you are on the other side, I hope you're drinking from a hollowed-out pineapple and wearing a Hawaiian shirt unbuttoned down to your navel.

Sun and Jin...
Of all the main character deaths we've seen, I have to say I'm most satisfied with what happened to Sun and Jin. The actors did a fantastic job, and the scene was exceptionally well done. Most important of all, the whole thing just felt right to me. Much like the ring Sun puts back on Jin's finger earlier in the episode, their story had truly come full circle.

On-island, Sun and Jin's time was up. They existed only for each other, and once reunited they had completed their journey. Through marital troubles, infidelity, infertility and just about the worst father-in-law imaginable, the two of them eventually recognized that the most important thing was just being together. They stopped taking their love for granted, as Jacob mentioned at their wedding.

I also got the distinct feeling that because their transformation was complete, Sun and Jin were being taken "out" of the island's playing field. In short, Sun wasn't pinned to that wall by accident. There was simply nothing left for either of them to learn.

The final scene of Sun and Jin holding hands could've been a great way to end their story, but we were purposefully shown an image of their hands letting go. To me, this was representative of them not letting go of each other, but of the island timeline itself. It's comforting to know that Sun and Jin still exist on the other side, and that they're happy, content, and ready to start their new life with a baby on the way.

Maybe Everyone Should Just Stay Away From Planes For a While
As if the whole sub debacle wasn't enough, the last scene between LAX Jack and Locke just totally kicked ass. Jack is recognizing the need for both of them to let go of certain things: for Locke it's his guilt, and for Jack it's his constant need for control. The words they exchange are incredibly sincere, and Locke's story involving that plane crash was so well acted I almost believed it actually happened. It was another great scene, much like the one they shared at LAX.

"You go first." Right now, I'd like to predict that these are Jack's words to Locke in one of the final scenes of LOST. If Jack becomes the new Jacob and Locke becomes the new monster, the game begins all over again. Two players, two sides, and of course one of them has to make the first move.

Jack's parting words of "I wish you'd believed me" seemed to trigger even more memories for John, and it gave him a significant amount of pause. Locke also recognized and did a double-take upon seeing Jin in the hallway. I'm hoping these small flashes of recollection evolve into full-blown memories of island events, because in doing so it would bring our real characters full circle.

On island, Jack marching purposefully into the ocean and crying up at the sky seemed to say one thing: "Okay, I accept my position. But please, no more sacrifice."

Next week looks Ab Aeterno awesome.

Letting Go: "The Candidate" - Recap by Robz888
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Oh Lost, how you wound me. You tear out my heart and strap it to some C-4, leaving it inside a sinking submarine.


Even now, hours after my initial viewing, I'm still in shock, and more than a little depressed. Just Sayid dying would have been a tragedy in and of itself, without the even sadder Jin and Sun exit to top it off. Throw in Frank's demise (yes? maybe? too soon to call?), and I just can't take it.

Still, I have to hand it to the writers. They sure know how to make me simultaneously hate and love this show. I'm deeply saddened by what happened, but I can't deny that it made for a brilliant hour of television. In all honesty, this has to be one of the strongest episodes in all six seasons.

Before I get to the recap, let me offer a quick apology for not producing a proper recap of "The Last Recruit". I graduated from the University of Michigan last week, and I really just had a lot going on. By way of apology, I'll offer some brief thoughts on the episode before getting to "The Candidate".

THE LAST RECRUIT... WAS WHO, EXACTLY?

Who is the Last Recruit? That's what I kept thinking. Were we just supposed to say, "Okay, yep. It's Jack."? And what was he being recruited for? Jack was the most hesitant about Sawyer's plan, and in the end opted not to follow it. And with the rescue from the tactical strike, it seemed like he had joined Flocke. Does this make him the last recruit to Flocke's dark army?

It's interesting that Jack is the new John, and the new character who looks like John despises his philosophy. Flocke calls John a "sucker" for believing that they were meant to stay on the island. He also reveals that he was the ghost of Christian Shephard all along. I'm inclined to believe that at this point, we won't ever get explanations for the Christian apparition in Jack's hospital or on the freighter, but based on what we've learned, I would have to guess that they were either the real ghost of Christian (remember that Hurley sees real ghosts all the time, so they do exist, maybe), or Jacob appearing as him (assuming Jacob has that power, which he may not). The ramifications of the Christian reveal are very interesting, though. Jack's father, the real John and the Man in Black all exist to some degree within the Flocke entity. We know Flocke has access to John's memories - what if he has Christian's, too? That would mean he knows an awful lot about Jack. Since I'm still wondering whether John has any influence over Flocke, I'm very intrigued by the idea of a triple (or even quadruple, if you think of Yemi, Alex Rousseau, etc...) persona entity.

Desmond is pretty creepy in the ATL. It seems like his goal is to get all the passengers to run into each other, hopefully channeling their memories of the other reality. But what will establishing these memories accomplish? Will our characters just throw up their arms and say, "Hey, that's weird! Oh well!" It can't be. There has to be a point to making them remember. Either this will have some discernible effect on the Island reality, or it will somehow negate the ATL reality.


Okay, I'm eager to tackle "The Candidate", so here we go.

WELCOME TO HYDRA ISLAND

From the very start of this week's on-island plot, Sayid seemed less zombied, didn't he? His brief banter with Jack was a lot more alive than it would have been the day before. Remember the completely hollow way he said, "I don't feel anything"? Now, he's making jokes about having to paddle. Desmond's please-don't-shoot-me-brotha speech must have had an effect on him (and I'm going to guess that he didn't shoot the Scotsman, in any case). I would bet that events in the ATL also could have contributed to Sayid's different state of mind, but ATL Sayid has not yet had a major memory moment, and didn't seem to be going through anything during the ATL segments of "The Last Recruit" that would make him less of a zombie on the island.

On the other side of Hydra Island, basically everybody else is being put in the polar bear cages. The irony isn't lost on Sawyer, who grabs Seamus's gun and threatens to kill him. Widmore holds a gun to Kate's head and declares that he has no qualms about killing her, since she isn't on his list. This was an important admittance, which Sawyer confirms for Kate by telling her about the names on the cave walls. Apparently, Sawyer did notice that her name was there but crossed out. I was immediately concerned that Kate was in danger, but as it turned out, you were better off not being a candidate this week. Much better off.

The Smoke Monster attacks, kills several members of Widmore's team, including Seamus, who became the "Phil" of season 6. Jack helps them out of the cages, saying that he's with the Smoke Monster. I know it was only temporary, but still. Can you imagine watching the "Pilot" episode six years ago and being told that one day, Jack will aid the Smoke Monster?


Who's with who" has always been a dominant theme of Lost, but it's been even more pronounced this season. Even the titles "The Last Recruit" and "The Candidate" allude to membership and allegiance. The sides are constantly being redrawn, even as what each side stands for is being re-evaluated. After this episode, it will be hard to deny that Flocke is the "evil" side, but I don't know what that means for the "other" side. More on that later.

Speaking of who's with who, where were Widmore and Zoe during all of this? We don't find them at the plane or the sub. I'm guessing they paddled over to the main island, perhaps to look for Desmond, or even Richard.

THAT DARN C-4

Flocke easily commandeers the Ajira plane, which is barely guarded. Inside, he finds some C-4, ready to blow as soon as someone turns on the plane. He explains to the heroes that Widmore wanted them all to get in the plane and blow themselves up.


Flocke was pretty convincing, but based on later events in the episode, we know that this is not true - Flocke is the one who wanted to kill all of them. Widmore obviously doesn't want that, or else he would be working with Flocke, or would have just killed them himself. Why then would Widmore rig the plane with explosives? I'm tempted to believe that Flocke sneaked aboard the plane and put the explosives there himself, but then I don't know what the point of showing him discovering it was. Maybe for Widmore, keeping the candidates alive is important but not as important as just plain stopping Flocke from leaving the island, but then I would have expected the submarine to be rigged to blow, too.

In any case, the C-4 plays right into Flocke's hand. After auspiciously grabbing a watch off a dead guy, he explains that the plane is too dangerous and they'll have to steal the sub. Sawyer pretends to be with him (again), but immediately starts hatching a plan with Jack (again). Unfortunately, not only is Flocke expecting Sawyer's betrayal, he's counting on it.


Sawyer tells Jack to get Flocke in the water. I don't recall Flocke telling Sawyer that he's adverse to water, only that he can't fly over it in the smoke-form, so I was little surprised that Sawyer thought that would work. And I think the only reason it did work was because Flocke wanted them to escape - he took his time climbing back onto that dock.

Anyway, a shootout at the sub dock ensues. Jack shoves Flocke like he's supposed to, but Kate gets shot in the shoulder. Jack had maintained all episode that he wouldn't leave the island, but with Kate's injury, he hurries aboard the sub to help her. But if Kate hadn't been shot, I don't know that he would have gone aboard. I wonder if Flocke somehow influenced Kate getting shot. She's not a candidate, so he definitely could have harmed her. Actually, that may have been the whole point of Widmore and Sawyer bringing that fact up earlier in the episode. So Kate getting shot was either a very, very lucky occurrence for Flocke, or he somehow planned it.

Fearing that Flocke is going to try to come aboard, Sawyer shuts the door and orders the sub to dive, leaving Claire out on the dock. At the time I felt sorry for her being left behind again, but since this ultimately may have saved her life, it's not actually too sad.


A CANDIDATE OF A DIFFERENT SORT

In the ATL, John wakes up from surgery and Jack explains that he fixed him. There's even more good news - John is a "candidate" for a new type of surgery that might fix John's initial spinal injury at minimum risk. To Jack's surprise and dismay, John says no.

Even though the reason for why John would want to stay in the wheel chair is revealed later (he's punishing himself), I think it could be something else, too. If John is having any flashes to the other reality, think about what he would see: a man duped into thinking he was special, finally betrayed by that false belief, his body used as a pawn by an evil entity. Depending upon how cognizant John is of that other life, he might be very wary of someone telling him that he's "special" in this life. I want John to be special, though, so I hope the surgery does end up happening.

But Jack doesn't take no for an answer, so he decides to investigate what caused John's injury. He tracks down the dentist who treated John in the wake of his accident, and unsurprisingly, it's a familiar face.


Sam Anderson did a great job this episode. Bernard seemed like he knew something, didn't he? We know that that "knowing" is very possible. He absolutely could have had the flashes like the ones that Desmond, Charlie and Daniel experienced. He also recognizes Jack from the Oceanic flight, and points this out, saying something about Jack flirting with his wife. I'm glad that some of the characters are finally addressing the fact that everybody was on the same plane.

Bernard steers Jack to Anthony Cooper, who's being visited by Helen. Cooper can't move or speak, as the result of the same accident that cost John his ability to walk.


Yes, Cooper looks pretty pitiable here, but don't start feeling sorry for him just yet. Consider: Cooper could be every bit the evil con man that he was in the MTL. The real question is whether John still has a kidney. If he does, this would lead me to believe that the accident happened before Cooper could complete his con. Cooper might have had every intention of discarding John like a piece of trash after getting the kidney, he just never got around to it. There's some proof of this, since Anthony Cooper appears to still be the man who caused the death of Sawyer's parents in this reality. He might not be reformed at all - he's just trapped and unable to speak because of the accident. I almost hope this is the case, or else I would feel sorry for him.

LET THE WEEPING COMMENCE

Okay, I'm not sure I'm ready to relive this part of the episode yet, but here goes. Jack finds the C-4 that Flocke put in his pack. It's attached to the watch, and it's counting down with only a couple minutes to go. Sayid calculates that if both the wires are removed at the same time, the bomb may be disarmed.

Jack explains that if they do nothing, it won't go off, because Flocke can't kill them, despite what he said earlier in the episode. He also has the experience with Richard in the Black Rock to back him up. Jack correctly calculates that Flocke put them in a situation where they would do something to inadvertently kill each other. Here, Jack's faith is his defense. Unfortunately, it isn't enough for Sawyer, who pulls the wires and only speeds up the timer.

At first I thought this would violate the principal that Richard laid out in "Lighthouse", because Sawyer shouldn't be able to kill himself as a result of pulling the wires from the bomb, so it shouldn't have gone off. But if you think about it, this still holds to that rule, because Sawyer doesn't kill himself - he survives the explosion and the sub sinking. Instead of Sayid grabbing the C-4 and running into the other room, Sawyer should have simply thrown himself on top of it. That would have had to stop it, because Sawyer can't kill himself with the C-4 if we're still following Richard's rules. Instead, Sayid redeems himself and, completely unzombied, he tells Jack about Desmond, confides that it's going to be Jack, and runs off with the C-4 as it detonates.


We hardly have time to bid Sayid farewell (for the second time), as all hell breaks loose. Water rushes in, knocking out Frank. Sun is pinned. Sawyer is hit over the head. Hurley, who is a hero, I might add, rescues Kate and makes it out of the sub. Jack decides to save Sawyer. It was heart-breaking, absolutely heart-breaking watching the characters make these choices. Jack knows that he isn't going to see Jin and Sun again. He understands that Jin is going to die because of how much he loves Sun. It was heart-breaking. Watching people drown is absolutely agonizing. It was more emotional because Jin was free. If he had been pinned, too, it would have been different. But he was free to swim to safety, except he never even thinks about doing so. He isn't going to leave Sun, no matter what.


And so "The Candidate" becomes the first episode to kill more than 2 main characters in the same hour. Jin and Sun die shortly after their reunion - no happy ending for them, after all. In the end, we'll probably never know whether Sun or Jin was the candidate, and it doesn't even matter.

A WORD ON FRANK

Concerning Frank, that was really, really ambiguous. There are a lot of reasons he's probably dead, and some reasons he might not be.

HE'S NOT DEAD: I would have expected them to at least show his body or something, if that was really it. I know he's not the most important character ever, but not to even dignify him with a confirm-able death is pretty cruel. And Jack, Kate and Hurley don't mention his name among the dead. Again, he isn't their best friend, but I would expect a little acknowledgment. Also, Frank (along with Richard) is the only main character with absolutely no flash-sideways counterpart. I'll admit that Frank has always been one of my favorites, so maybe my judgment is clouded, but it wouldn't surprise me if he washes up on shore. Jin did it in the wake of the freighter explosion, after all. This is Lost - if they want a character to inexplicably survive, the character will inexplicably survive.

HE'S DEAD: Then again, this is Lost. Let's return for a moment to the death of one of my other favorite semi-important characters, Ms. Danielle Rousseau. Sure, they left it ambiguous at first, but ultimately it didn't matter: she was dead. I feel like Frank probably just got the same treatment. He's not a candidate, they probably won't be leaving on the Ajira plane so they don't need a pilot... why keep him alive, when there's barely been anything for him to do all season? Really a bummer, though. I hope he's alive, anyway.


A WORD ON RICHARD, BEN AND MILES

When Richard (whose story is fully explained), Ben (who's been redeemed), and Miles (who doesn't seem to matter much) headed off on their expedition, I said to myself, "They're all dead. That's the group that gets slaughtered to the man." To borrow a line from my hero, John, "I was wrong!"

As it turns out, Hurley's plan to meet with Flocke was a terrible one. Richard had it right all along when he told Sawyer in "The Substitute" that Flocke meant to kill all of them. These deaths are the fault of Hurley for wanting to go to Flocke, Jack for backing him up, Sayid for turning off the fence, Sawyer for pulling the wires... and on and on. They've accidentally killed each other, which is unfortunately the only way Flocke can get them.

Anyway, I wonder what Richard's group is up to. It wouldn't surprise me if they meet up with Widmore and Zoe, and maybe even Desmond. Wouldn't it be cool for a Ben-Richard-Widmore reunion? Also, I'd love to see Ben and Desmond cross paths again.

THREE REMAIN

Jack, Sawyer and Hurley are the only surviving candidates. According to Lostpedia, Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Walt (and possibly Rose, Bernard and Vincent) are the only remaining survivors of the crash of Oceanic 815. That puts things in perspective, doesn't it? We've come such a long way.

Jack, Sawyer, Hurley and Kate wash up on the beach of what I assume is the main island and mourn their losses.


At the Hydra Island dock, Flocke is acutely aware that not all the candidates are dead. I know people are now attributing psychic powers to him, but he doesn't necessarily know which candidates survived. I think he might just be able to tell because he knows he isn't free yet.

Flocke is certainly evil, but I still maintain that that doesn't make Jacob good. It was on Michael's advice, wasn't it, that Hurley led them to Flocke? I was assuming that Michael was speaking on behalf of Jacob. Yet, it was this plan that resulted in all the deaths. I'm still very troubled by the way Jacob treats his followers.

As Flocke no doubt begins working on a scheme to rid himself of the rest of the candidates, his plan will probably concern Claire, and maybe Kate, too. The fact that Flocke can kill those two directly worries me greatly. And as Lost once again demonstrated, no one is safe.

Jack knows about Desmond now, and he knows it's going to be him. It's very likely that everyone else will die in the next four (and a half! did you here the good news?) hours, but Jack is going to live long enough to defeat the Man in Black once and for all.

THE REST OF THE ATL

As Jack listens to a sleeping John talking to himself ("push the button" and "I wish you had believed me" from his suicide note) Jack receives a visit from Claire. They learn that they shared a plane, and they take a look at the box that Christian left for Claire (the magic box!). Inside, they stare into a mirror as Catch a Falling Star plays.

When ATL characters look into mirrors, they appear to have some awareness of themselves in the island reality. Was this why Christian left it for them? Did he intend for them to open it together and see each others' reflections while recalling the island? This makes me wonder if the Christian Shephard whose body came to the island but was never found can somehow commune with his ATL dead self.


And finally, as John leaves the hospital, Jack learns of his accident. In yet another Emmy-deserving performance, John admits: "I was in a plane crash!" He had made his father his first passenger after getting his pilot's license, and disaster struck. John punishes himself for what happened, and is unwilling to have the surgery because he can't let go of it.

I was very intrigued by the revelation that ATL-John learned to fly planes. If the end of the ATL involves them all getting on a plane, maybe it will be John piloting it (this might also make Frank even less needed, unfortunately).

Jack tells John to let it go. During this speech, I felt like Jack was speaking to us, the Lost-obsessed fans. He was warning us that very soon, it's going to be time to move on - we'll have no choice. We'll have to go on with our lives without Lost.

It ends with little certainty that John will have the surgery, but I'm still hoping he will, eventually. Finale material, right?

As for the direction of the ATL as a whole, I'm really unsure. For the first half of the season, I thought, like many of you, that the ATL would simply serve as some sort of epilogue (which I wasn't thrilled with). But ever since Desmond's return, it's seemed like the ATL wasn't supposed to happen, and that by making everyone aware of the other reality, they would do something... and that something would lead to negation of the ATL, or a merging of the timelines. Now, I don't know again. Everybody in the island reality is dead. Are they really supposed to negate the much happier reality, however incorrect it may be?

Goodbye Sayid, Sun, Jin, and for good measure, Frank. As for our remaining heroes, please take care of yourselves.

Until next week,

- Robby "Robz888"

406 posted on 05/05/2010 3:52:51 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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To: Lucky9teen
Ok after being beat nearly to death (figuratively speaking) by family and friends last night, I am going to say it here. I thought last night's episode was one of the worst. It was corny and predictable. However, I am looking forward to the remaining shows glad that answers will be answered but sad it its not continuing.
407 posted on 05/05/2010 4:04:09 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Lucky9teen
Pushing the proverbial button is and always has been LOST's ultimate test of faith. It defines what's real and what's not real. It separates the idea of unalterable fate from the power to actually write your own destiny. When you boil everything else down far enough, it's the essence of the entire show.

Thanks for keeping me on this ping list. It's been fun.

408 posted on 05/05/2010 5:21:57 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Draw Mohammad Day" - - May 20, 2010 - Draw for freedom - draw for your children's freedom.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Congratulations, Graduate!


409 posted on 05/05/2010 11:07:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Season 6, Episode 15 – Aired: 5/11/2010
TITLE: Across The Sea



EPISODE SYNOPSIS: Locke's intentions are finally brought to light.
410 posted on 05/11/2010 3:31:25 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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To: Lucky9teen

Interesting that at the end of last week’s episode the four remaining survivors on the beach (Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Kurley) were the same four the Others asked Michael to deliver in exchange for Walt.

Does that have implications given Michael’s recent return as a “ghost,” the same type Walt used to be able to see and Hurley now sees all the time?

Other speculation, it seems they have to firgure out two options for the conclusion.

1) Two survivors are chosen to replace Jacob and Flocke/MIB and so the stand-off between good and evil continues w/ Smokey trapped on the Island while the rest live happily ever after in the “Lost” universe, or;

2) Does the stand-off between Jacob and Flocke/MIB get resolved with Smokey defeated and everyone lives happily ever after in the alternative/sideways/LAX universe?

I also think the “ghosts” already live in another 3rd alternative universe, so for fans of Jin, Sun, Charlie, Libby, etc. there is hope.

Anyway, pretty ironic that when Jack wants to use the sub to leave in Season 2 (or 3?), Locke wants to stay and blows the sub up. Now, when Flocke wants to leave and Jack wants to stay, Locke inadvertantly (through Sawyer) blows the sub up, ha ha ha.


411 posted on 05/11/2010 3:59:25 PM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: Gothmog
I've been watching all the seasons again. I'm very impressed with the quality of the acting. But I must say that from the moment he appeared on the scene to the wonderful scene where he regrets his actions, Henry Ian Cusak's Ben Linus is a masterclass in acting. I like him on the screen. He's a creep, I know... but a fascinating creep.

But if I were Josh Holloway, I would get tired of being beat up every episode so someone can steal my gun. LOL!

412 posted on 05/11/2010 5:10:36 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: carton253

Desmond also played ...

413 posted on 05/11/2010 5:48:13 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (With socialism you are never sure of the past.)
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To: Lucky9teen
I've come to two conclusions...

1) LOST has provided five years of the most riveting, satisfying TV ever produced.

and...

2) Even though they say otherwise, the producers never had an ending to the show and thus this sixth season is a confusing rush to tie up loose ends with bows too short to do the job.

414 posted on 05/11/2010 11:07:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Lucky9teen
The cave with the golden light contains all evil.

Weeks ago Richard referred to this when he said to consider a wine bottle as filled with evil and the cork as the island, keeping the evil contained.

Beyond that, it's beyond me.

415 posted on 05/11/2010 11:39:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That makes sense, it would take that much light to contain that much evil. I thought the episode was a good explanation of Jacob’s history. It will be interesting to see how he made it off the island to “touch” the survivors and find candidates to replace him. I have been watching all the seasons again, am into season 4. Intersting to see the donkey wheel. I remembver when Ben turned it light came shooting out.


416 posted on 05/12/2010 5:27:47 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Wake up America we are at war with militant Islam and progressives - 2 fronts.)
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To: MomwithHope

I am thinking that Jacob ordered Ben to purge Dharma because they were getting too close to finding that well of light.
The “not” Mother said it was death, life, rebirth. Purgatory judgement maybe? Too dangerous for humans to find it.

I SO wanted to learn the man in black’s name last night. i still say it is Esau.


417 posted on 05/12/2010 7:23:22 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: mom4kittys

That’s what I told my husband when I realized that the MIB and Jacob were twins :)


418 posted on 05/12/2010 7:25:32 AM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

I think the writers want us to figure this out on our own. I think the finale answers will merge bliblical & science somehow.

I was disturned by the Jack, Kate and Locke scene at the end explaining “Adam & Eve”. Since when do the writers spoon feed us? i didn’t like that at all. I LOVE the fact that they make us think.


419 posted on 05/12/2010 7:33:03 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Lucky9teen

My immediate and probably unwarranted impressions:

It seems Jacob’s mother finally identifies the man in black by his name when he kills her. It sounds like “Uthey,” so that’s how I’ll refer to the MIB/Flocke/Smokey/Esau in the future just to save typing time. I should probably look up “Uthey” in the Bible.

Overall, this episode had a definite “Ring of the Nibelung” vibe, with Jacob being the Norse blonde Syggurd and Uthey being the dark-haired troll. The “mother” fills the role of the dragon hiding the golden treasure from humans in the river. That would explain the burned-out village. Plus, at the end, the “special” Uthey turns into the dragon Smokey.

Perhaps cuturally/religious-wise, this is a conflict between old religion (pagan/Uthey) and new religion (Jacob/Christianity), although that probably does not make sense given that Jacob is now identified with primitivism while Uthey now represents scientific progress. Anyway,

This episode certainly eliminates my theory that the “blonde boy in the jungle” is “Aaron.” But it raises the very important question, where is Aaron? IIRC, he is the only other baby besides Jacob and Uthey to be actually born on the Island. And despite all warnings of calamity, Claire leaves Aaron in a bush on Uthey’s instructions and Claire and Uthey/Locke are still together. Key item for future thought.

Other questions: Airline stewardess Cindy has been with Lost through all the seasons. Is she kind of a “hidden” member of the “six.” She’s a survivor, maybe from a different point of view, or she’s got a relationship w/ the show’s writers/producers, ha ha ha.

An interesting episode, Jacob’s mother certainly has special powers which she has passed on to Jacob in a pagan/Christian ritual of drinking her blood/wine to make Jacob more like her, but why did Uthey already possess those powers? She mentions early on that what makes Uthey different from Jacob is that Uthey can “lie.” She has no aversion to killing. Maybe she is the biblical Lillith?

I wish they’d be little more clear about the early civilizations they all came from, whether Phoenician, Egyptian, etc.


420 posted on 05/12/2010 10:46:54 AM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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