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Little-seen men : EARTH is becoming "invisible" to aliens
thesun ^ | 1-26-2010 | RHODRI PHILLIPS

Posted on 01/26/2010 7:48:50 AM PST by JoeProBono

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To: JoeProBono
Dr Drake said: "Now the actual amount of radiation escaping is about two watts...

Absolute, total BS.

41 posted on 01/26/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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Great. I’m guessing we’ll start hearing cries from Obama about how we need to “Cap and Trade” digital transmission credits to eliminate all of that noise.


42 posted on 01/26/2010 8:35:08 AM PST by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Oversampling is your friend. It’s how you can see RADAR and SONAR returns that are 40+ dB below the noise floor...


43 posted on 01/26/2010 8:35:17 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
My understanding is that there are certain radio wavelengths at which space is not "noisy", so to speak, and these are the ones that SETI listens to.

Understood but that still assumes that they would be using radio when its entirely possible that they may be using something that we haven't dreamed of.

Maybe they've found a means of accelerating neutrinos beyond the speed of light. Maybe gravity waves or something.

We're a primitive species and have barely scratched the surface. Its like God only allows us to take these small steps.
44 posted on 01/26/2010 8:35:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Williams

I wonder if this guy has any idea how much of a signal an air search radar puts out? Every time a carrier battle group goes to active scanning this planet lights up in the radio spectrum quite nicely.


45 posted on 01/26/2010 8:37:58 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: wendy1946
What SHOULD they use? The one thing which propogates instantaneously to within our ability to measure it is gravity and the closest thing to a decent explanation of what gravity is, is Ralph Sansbury’s description of gravity and sub-electron particles. The computed necessary speed of a sub-electron particle would get you to one of the near galaxies in a couple of seconds.

Is this connected to that pseudoscientific "electric universe" silliness?

46 posted on 01/26/2010 8:38:04 AM PST by GL of Sector 2814
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To: montomike
We could be in the way of the new intergalactic freeway.

I'm not worried. I have my towel.

47 posted on 01/26/2010 8:39:37 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: cripplecreek
Understood but that still assumes that they would be using radio when its entirely possible that they may be using something that we haven't dreamed of.

All we can use is the tools at our disposal.

48 posted on 01/26/2010 8:40:19 AM PST by GL of Sector 2814
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To: JoeProBono
I have always had a problem with the whole 'let's find aliens' approach to things. My thoughts are as follows:-

a) Any alien civilization advanced enough to not only locate us, but more importantly to travel to us within a meaningful timespan, would be immensely beyond us in terms of technological (or whatever is analogous to technology ...maybe instead of 1s and 0s it is biological in nature) advancement.

b) That means that if that alien lifeform was to be hostile there is precious little we could do to stop them. Looking at human history, every single time an advanced civilization met a less advanced one, the less advanced one paid in some way or form. Why should it be different on a galactical scale?

c) This does not even necessarily have to mean that the alien lifeform is malevolent. Maybe they only mean to 'help us better ourselves' and deem that, since we are not as 'enlightened as they are,' it may be most prudent to 'expedite' things. Or maybe they come along with some pathogen with which we have no resistance. Or maybe some accident occurs (e.g. their craft, or what we conceive as their craft, is fired upon by some overzealous air national guard chap, triggering a response from them for which we have no answer). Or maybe their presence so disrupts society (imagine what the PROVEN existence of aliens would do to some socio-religious nodes. Many would quickly include aliens in the greater works of God, but some would see them as demons and go loco ...maybe even attacking them). Think about market reaction ....

Anyways, right now we may just have captured the attention of some malevolent entity that is alien to us, that is heading our way. We expect humanoid lifeforms, but I doubt any aliens would be humanoid (this is not star trek). Furthermore, for them to travel immense distances means they either have extremely advanced technology (i.e. maybe using wormholes), or else they have 'technology' unlike anything we have even conceptualized (maybe they are not corporeal, but can instead project their wills and intent).

Or maybe there is nothing out there but empty space and infinite darkness (which I doubt from a mathematical point of view).

But even if that were the case, broadcasting would be like a person sitting on a log in the middle of some nameless vast ocean, and tapping hard into the water with a stick trying to see if he can attract something to the surface.

There is a chance nothing will come.

Or maybe some glittering fish with omni-colored scales.

Or maybe the last thing he will see is some dark cavernous maw rising up from the depths, ringed with halos of serrated teeth and retching like the very belly of hell!

Hey, as a Kenyan there is a story I was told when I was a child about a famous medicine man from our culture who allegedly prophesied about a race of men who wear clothes of many colors that made them look like butterflies, and who would come riding on an iron snake. That people would welcome them, and that for a time they would suffer greatly for giving that welcome.

Maybe right now some iron snake steams across the cosmos, and rather than seeming like flittering butterflies the riders of that train are veritable devils and monsters of yore!

49 posted on 01/26/2010 8:47:06 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: CodeToad
Cell phones, 802.11 wireless, satellite TV, etc, are all analogue transmissions.

No, they arn't. Most flavors of those things all use digital modulation. Well technically spread spectrum modulation which is a form of digital, and is even harder to detect at long ranges.
50 posted on 01/26/2010 8:49:10 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: spetznaz
Brillian post, Bravo, I especially like this part, and doubt very much that many have even considered it ...

Or maybe the last thing he will see is some dark cavernous maw rising up from the depths, ringed with halos of serrated teeth and retching like the very belly of hell!

It would almost be worth seeing the faces of those awaiting the mother ship as we were all devoured ..
51 posted on 01/26/2010 8:55:54 AM PST by Scythian
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To: spetznaz; Quix

52 posted on 01/26/2010 8:58:51 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Not directly. The interesting thing about Sansbury’s thesis is that it does not arise from any sort of a search for grand unification theories or any sort of a back-of-the-book type solution to gravity. It arises from a very mundane study of reversible electrostatic fields being generated by currents, and the only possible explanation of the actual data is sub-electron particles. For the last hundred years or thereabouts of course, electrons have been thought of as indivisible, even as atoms were thought of prior to that time.


53 posted on 01/26/2010 9:03:43 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: JoeProBono
"EARTH is becoming "invisible" to aliens...."

Which is why I like to hide here.

54 posted on 01/26/2010 9:09:25 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Fresh Wind

I’d wager a watt or two that the quote from Dr. Drake was actually stated in a context other than what was reported in the article and that it was simply mishandled by the reporterette who wrote the story...


55 posted on 01/26/2010 9:13:25 AM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: TalonDJ

“No, they arn’t. Most flavors of those things all use digital modulation.”

Don’t know much about RF, do you? There is no such thing as a digital RF transmission.


56 posted on 01/26/2010 9:30:02 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like slough (shed snake skin by a snake that got bigger and thus needed to peel off its old skin). One of the worst things you can see in places with snakes, since it means there is a likelihood that a snake’s in the vicinity. Happened to one of our workers when I was young ...one of the garden keeps found such a slough in his servant’s quarters ...a few days later he saw a huge snake above his bed. It was at night, and his screams had us all running to see what was up. The snake managed to slither away and escape - for quite some time the man slept with another garden keep until his nerves calmed down. I did not have a good look at the snake, but there were a couple of spitting cobra incidents back then. Might have been harmless, but glossy coils over your bed at night .....hmmmm ....


57 posted on 01/26/2010 9:38:17 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: CodeToad
Don’t know much about RF, do you?

Not much... well I mean aside from engineer stuff with it for a living.
But other than that... well and the Ham Radio license.

Don’t know much about RF, do you? There is no such thing as a digital RF transmission.

Sure there is! It is morse code sending nothing but E, I, H, S, and 5.
Heh!

Well that and digital modulation. Next time before you try to sound smart and scoffing do a google search first.
58 posted on 01/26/2010 9:41:49 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Zeppo

Yes, that’s certainly possible. The ability to write coherently is no longer a requirement in the field of journalism.


59 posted on 01/26/2010 9:45:45 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: humblegunner; Squantos
they’re dumb, edible, and slow.

Ping because I thought they were talking about y'all .........

60 posted on 01/26/2010 9:57:46 AM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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