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it's accepted that there were limited contacts between the "old" and "new" world well before Columbus, and even before the Norse

really..accepted by impartial scientists?

The Europeans sailing west carried diseases that had been in their populations for many, many generations, and they had resistance to them

If it's that simple to blame whites (as usual) then why didn't the Indians here have their own diseases to kill the whites in kind. Tropical areas are today the world's cesspools of contagions, so why not then? Granted that whites like everyone else had dealt with plagues and whatnot but why did Indians here not have their own diseases to which Whites were vulnerable like they do today....Ebola, AIDs etc today are endemic to tropical Africa.

What there is debate about is just how many millions of Indians there were. The truth is that due to their dispersal and lack of progress on relative civilization scales they simply could not support the populations Europe and elsewhere did. Their isolation hampered them same as it did Negroid tribes in Africa and Aborigines in Australia and elsewhere in the Pacific.

Nearly all such science today exists simply to find any fantasy route to blame whites and denigrate my ancestor's achievments...I fart in it's general direction.

PS...20 year vet of third world living...had the typhoid fever to prove it..Haiti

That's a very good explanation and one I totally support. Back in '03 I had the pleasure of once again visiting Honduras (4th time I think) with my sister and brother-in-law who is from Honduras.

We spent two days in Copan and toured the Mayan ruins there. Our tour guide explained what happened to that city and why it died out. And it is as you say and what I said in a prior post, the city simply succumed to the unmedically treated diseases of that region and starvation due to poor agricultural practices needed to sustain a city of that size........

Add to that, once such a city reaches a recognizable point of no return, the people then leave and disperse to other areas of the country in order to survive.....

In our own way, we've witnessed such migration during the early years of our country......

it's accepted that there were limited contacts between the "old" and "new" world well before Columbus, and even before the Norse really..accepted by impartial scientists?

How else does one explain goods of pre-Columbian old world (and the old world encompasses many more peoples than whites)goods deep inside North America? A handful of contacts makes sense.

If it's that simple to blame whites (as usual) then why didn't the Indians here have their own diseases to kill the whites in kind. Tropical areas are today the world's cesspools of contagions, so why not then?

This isn't about blaming whites. It's about diseases. When massive numbers of people came west over the Atlantic, most were European whites who did not come from the tropics, so they would carry the diseases borne in those populations. There are carved heads in meso-America with distinctly African features, which suggests strongly of an African presence. They also would have brought their diseases, as did the slaves imported much later.

The Indians did pass diseases, just not as many because they did not have as many to pass. Syphilis is one.

What there is debate about is just how many millions of Indians there were. The truth is that due to their dispersal and lack of progress on relative civilization scales they simply could not support the populations Europe and elsewhere did.

Their numbers are debated. "Lack of progress"--well, they were pretty darn good plant breeders. It is hard to imagine the world diet without corn, tomatoes, and potatoes. The Spanish found cities larger and grander than what they left at home.

Nearly all such science today exists simply to find any fantasy route to blame whites and denigrate my ancestor's achievments...I fart in it's general direction.

Most of my ancestors were barbarian types tamed by Romans, but that doesn't stop me from admiring Roman culture's vast civilizing influences. I know my DNA was running around in skins in the woods while the Greeks evolved the roots of the west, the Jews wrote their holy books, and the Egyptians did their marvelous building. But I am the inheritor of all of those cultures, including those of the barbarians, and as a Westerner, I am proud of all of them.