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To: freedumb2003

>>None of which changes my answer. To “devolve” is a value judgment. To “evolve” means to change. The fact you don’t approve of the change is irrelevant.<<

But the answer I was replying to was your statement that vestigial organs are proof of evolution. They are not.

“Evolve” doesn’t mean just to “change” it means “develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form”. Vestigial organs would be evidence of the opposite.

“Devolve” isn’t a proper use of the word in this context, of course. It means to transfer power to a lower (governmental) level. Perhaps the best word might be “entropy”. One definition of entropy is: A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.


49 posted on 01/02/2010 2:58:43 PM PST by igotsix
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To: igotsix

Very good arguments. I think we are tangential, but let me address your points as best as I can:

>>But the answer I was replying to was your statement that vestigial organs are proof of evolution. They are not.<<

I really meant evidence of more than proof.

>>“Evolve” doesn’t mean just to “change” it means “develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form”. Vestigial organs would be evidence of the opposite.<<

But you apply a very limited view of “to develop.” We no longer have tails, but have vestigial attachments for one. Certainly a tail is more complex than a flat butt, but for us it was no longer needed. At points along the continuum, what was to be Homo Sapiens I am sure it appeared “we” were losing more than gaining. But it is a complex process and it is hard to gauge the evolutionary forces against which we are now pitted.

>>. One definition of entropy is: A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.<<

It is one definition, but I don’t think it applies to Homo Sapens nor other evolutionary paths.


51 posted on 01/02/2010 5:29:50 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: igotsix
“Evolve” doesn’t mean just to “change” it means “develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form”.

Well... there's your problem right there. That is not what "evolve" means.

Evolution is non directional. It can go from simple to complex, complex to simple, or laterally with no change in complexity at all.

Think for example about a theoretical scenario in which a horse evolved into a cow. Which one would you say is more complex than the other?
68 posted on 01/18/2010 1:47:31 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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