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Evolution caught in the act: Scientists measure how quickly genomes change
Physorg.com ^ | January 1, 2010 | Max-Planck-Gesellschaft

Posted on 01/02/2010 10:57:44 AM PST by Restore

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To: Fichori
Hmmm, so was Al's Global Warming.

Er...no, Al's warming didn't happen.

61 posted on 01/04/2010 12:08:54 PM PST by Restore
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To: Restore
“Er...no, Al's warming didn't happen.”
Wha?

But they had data, nice movies, and those cool hockey stick charts that said it did!

I mean, with all that nice government funding, why would they lie about something like that?

You've destroyed my faith in Science™ and turned me into a cynic!

WHAAAAAAAAA!


Say, you might be onto something...

I wonder what else those government funded Scientists™ have lied are lying about...

You don't suppose that wherever there is large amounts of money to be made off of government funding, there will also be fraud and fudged numbers, do you?

If the facts were being stretched, would we know about it without some snitch releasing incriminating evidence?
62 posted on 01/04/2010 11:30:56 PM PST by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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To: remaxagnt; freedumb2003
"its still all theory not factual proof."

Strictly speaking, in terms of scientific philosophy, there is no "factual proof" of any theory. Technically, there are only hypotheses which have not yet been disproved.

I mention this in answer to those who claim "Evolutionism" is just another "religion." It's not. It's a theory with lots of factual data to support it, and hypotheses which have never been disproved.

The data comes from virtually every scientific field -- biology, geology, chemistry, paleontology, genetics, physics, astronomy, etc., etc.

Now the idea of "random mutations" is itself evolving from hypothesis to theory, to scientific data -- as demonstrated by this particular article.

When "random mutations" can be measured, quantified, analyzed and tracked, then the idea is no longer a hypothesis or even a theory, but simply confirmed scientific data.

btw, great work freedumb2003. Much enjoy and appreciate what you do. :-)

63 posted on 01/05/2010 8:49:16 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

the whole carbon data thing has been disproved and their are still people using that as factual data.


64 posted on 01/05/2010 10:10:08 AM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: remaxagnt
"the whole carbon data thing has been disproved and their are still people using that as factual data."

Sorry pal, but I don't remember reading about a theory of "the whole carbon data thing." Is that somewhere on Wikipedia? ;-)

But perhaps you can cite for us all the peer reviewed scientific article in which "the whole carbon data thing" was conclusively disproved?

65 posted on 01/05/2010 1:38:29 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Very simply put, too many things are unknown to allow the carbon dating process to be as accurate as many proclaim it to be. Factors as diverse as changes in the earth’s magnetic field and changes in the amount of carbon available to organisms in times past could translate into perceivable differences in the carbon ratios in artifacts and remains from ancient times. Even changes in the atmosphere itself could impact this carbon ratio. We know that changes such as these have occurred over time. They are still occurring today in fact.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

that should do it if u need more let me know


66 posted on 01/05/2010 3:31:18 PM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: remaxagnt
"Very simply put, too many things are unknown to allow the carbon dating process to be as accurate as many proclaim it to be. "

Oh, I get it. "carbon data" = "carbon dating" = "radiocarbon dating".

"Radiocarbon dating, or carbon dating, is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.

"The technique of radiocarbon dating was developed by Willard Libby and his colleagues at the University of Chicago in 1949... He first demonstrated the accuracy of radiocarbon dating by accurately estimating the age of wood from an ancient Egyptian royal barge for which the age was known from historical documents."

Carbon dating is only one of many methods, radiometric and others, used to estimate ages of ancient materials, including:

And these are far from the only methods of establishing ancient time lines. But, performed properly, they can be amongst the most consistent and reliable:

"Finally, correlation between different isotopic dating methods may be required to confirm the age of a sample. For example, a study of the Amitsoq gneisses from western Greenland used five different radiometric dating methods to examine twelve samples and achieved agreement to within 30 Ma on an age of 3,640 Ma."

Obviously, any of these tests might be performed incorrectly, contaminants introduced, external factors improperly accounted for, etc. But there is no scientific proof, none, which tells us these test are necessarily largely inaccurate, even if done correctly.

67 posted on 01/06/2010 5:12:39 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: igotsix
“Evolve” doesn’t mean just to “change” it means “develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form”.

Well... there's your problem right there. That is not what "evolve" means.

Evolution is non directional. It can go from simple to complex, complex to simple, or laterally with no change in complexity at all.

Think for example about a theoretical scenario in which a horse evolved into a cow. Which one would you say is more complex than the other?
68 posted on 01/18/2010 1:47:31 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
evolve |iˈvälv| verb 1 develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form : [ intrans. ] the company has evolved into a major chemical manufacturer | the Gothic style evolved steadily and naturally from the Romanesque | [ trans. ] each school must evolve its own way of working. • (with reference to an organism or biological feature) develop over successive generations, esp. as a result of natural selection : [ intrans. ] the populations are cut off from each other and evolve independently. 2 [ trans. ] Chemistry give off (gas or heat).
69 posted on 02/04/2010 10:38:45 AM PST by igotsix
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