Beck doesn’t trust Obama – Tells his nephew not to reenlist

[streetpreacher]

including the women that are already required to make up the shortfall of males.

Women are not "required" to join anymore than men are. Women join, for the most part, because they get all of the perks of military service with very little of the sacrifice. It's also a great place to whore around. Or they're lesbians.

[presently no screen name]

Does anyone know the story behind that

I have no idea and don't care to know. I don't have the NEED to get into people's business like you do.

[presently no screen name]

Why don't you bug off! You are truly a liar and a busybody!. I am not stopping anyway form serving and neither is Beck! Your lack of comprehension is amazing.

[fr_freak]

No wonder we have so few veterans among conservative leaders, an awful lot of conservatives are just what the left says they are, they want to pass the buck from themselves and their own sons to anyone else, including the women that are already required to make up the shortfall of males.

We have so few veterans among "conservative" leaders because we have so few conservatives among "conservative" leaders. That is a huge part of the reason that the GOP is under such attack from the right as we speak. If more high-profile Republicans were veterans, we would probably be a lot better off (McCain proves that it isn't an absolute rule).

However, the time to serve your country in the military is when your country is best served by the military. Right now, I think the military will be used merely as a political tool by Obama. He doesn't give one bit of a damn if every soldier we have is slaughtered in Afghanistan or anywhere else. He probably hates them along with the rest of real America. How, in good conscience, could I, you, or anyone else, tell some young man to enlist under those conditions? Hell, we may need those same young men to stay here and help with the revolution soon - they'll get their best chance to serve their country fighting at home. At best, if Obama gets only one term, a young man need only put off his service by 3 years (or, he could just go ROTC now and graduate in 4). If Obama gets a second term, well then, either the revolution will be on its way, or the US won't be worth defending anyway.

Jumping around and screaming about how the boys must join up NOW or else they'll never do it is asinine, especially with questionable people in complete power as they are now. A guy can sign the papers as easily when he's 22 as when he's 18.

[ansel12]

I meant, that to fill the empty spaces left by our “sunshine patriots” that it is required that we accept girls and moms in the place of the men that won’t show up, or as I’m learning, the sons of some conservatives that try to keep them from serving.

[itssme]

“More important projects” pertain to his need for funds for his healthcare, etc. His new ROE is further proof of his hatred for the military, and desire to create uncertainty wherever he can. These are two separate issues, and in my opinion, this man is a dangerous nutter.

[AnalogReigns]

A lot of folks fought in the 1940s under left wing FDR. So they should have not served and let Japan and Germany take over. Sure, that would work....Not

FDR was certainly socialistic, but he wasn't in any way pacifistic, spiteful toward America, or not fully committed to the war at hand. Obama is all 3. BIG DIFFERENCE. I'd advise military men not to re-enlist at this time too...as this administration is determined to lose all our military conflicts--in the same way they are determined destroy the American economy (so as to in the crises remake it fully socialist).

[ansel12]

How, in good conscience, could I, you, or anyone else, tell some young man to enlist under those conditions?

I sure can and I do, and I always have, my earlier posts cover that clearly.

When young men put off their military service they are rarely in a position years later to want to quit their jobs leave their family and mortgage and head for 3 or 4 years of service, it isn't exactly like making up a college degree on line or at night classes.

Something that cannot be explained or easily reversed is when so called conservatives try to keep their sons from serving.

Let's fight to keep the recruiters off campus, HEY HEY HO HO baby killers have to go.

[presently no screen name]

You got that right!

[ansel12]

I am surely not a liar and the title of the thread is “Beck doesn’t trust Obama – Tells his nephew not to reenlist”

[volunbeer]

To post 82 I say AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is where I stand ansel. It probably matters little to you since you are so blinded by the beauty of the sword that you completely ignore the hand that wields it.

I don’t believe in allowing the weenies at the State Department to tell our soldiers they cannot pursue a fleeing enemy into the lawless regions of Pakistan. I don’t believe in allowing civilian lawyers to write the rules of engagement. I don’t believe in allowing congressmen to call our sons murderers. I don’t believe in building schools in a foreign country with our military. I don’t believe in prosecuting terrorists and enemy combatants in our courts with the same rights you and I have. I don’t believe in using those same courts to prosecute our soldiers for a snap decision made in the heat of combat.

My definition of winning in Afghanistan means we kill those who would kill us with minimal casualties. If it’s cheaper and more efficient we should just leave and go back again when the Taliban moves back in. Hopefully, we can seal off the escape routes first the next time and get them all.

I don’t care what happens to the ‘country’. We went there to kill those who attacked us. I don’t care about the mosques. I don’t care that the UN and State Department would be outraged if we crossed into Pakistan. If the Pakistani’s can’t control the border region and allow AQ and Taliban to set up shop there it’s not our problem. I don’t want civilian casualties but if they happen it’s the bad guys fault, not the fault of our soldiers. I don’t care if they level a whole village if that means we can kill the enemy without casualties. I don’t care about world opinion nor do I care about what the New York Times thinks. I don’t care if some terrorist or enemy combatant gets a fat lip when he is captured.

Our men and women deserve to win. That they are doing so well with one hand tied behind their backs is a testament to their strength and ability.

I would put my uniform back on if those were the rules. However, those are not the rules right now and I still would not sacrifice my son to build a school or preserve a mosque under this administration or the next one.

Combat is about killing. It’s about protecting the brother on your right and the brother on your left. It’s not about being pinned down by mortars or sniper fire from a mosque while your commander talks to his commander who talks to his commander who finally consults with some State Dept hack or attorney to get permission to destroy the mosque. It’s not about dying on some god-forsaken road from an IED on a Peace Corps mission. It’s not about watching the enemy cross a line on a map in a lawless land.

It’s not me that has lost the resolve ansel. I’ll be damned if I put my son on the tip of that sword.

[streetpreacher]

You’re being absurd. Do you always browbeat others to win an argument? A lot of soldiers are asking the same hard questions Beck is right now. Believe me.

[ansel12]

Sure guys, everyone was so happy with the Vietnam War, especially the later years, I think they loved the Korean War and of course the 1974 until after Lebanon period was just great.

Hey Hey Ho Ho let’s keep those fascist recruiters off campus.

Seriously, if we won’t let our own sons enlist then let’s join the left and fight to keep the other kids out as well.

[fr_freak]

When young men put off their military service they are rarely in a position years later to want to quit their jobs leave their family and mortgage and head for 3 or 4 years of service, it isn't exactly like making up a college degree on line or at night classes...

Let's fight to keep the recruiters off campus, HEY HEY HO HO baby killers have to go.

1) Young men aren't generally getting married until late twenties, even thirties these days. Waiting until 22 to go into the service isn't going to stop anything.

2) I haven't seen a single post on this thread advocate kicking recruiters off campus, or any other such asinine thing. People here are talking about whether Beck was right to advise his nephew not to enlist now, and whether they would give the same advice. That is a far cry from the ridiculous hyperbole that you are engaging in.

Going into the service is something each man should decide for himself, and he should decide that carefully, because you could end up giving your life. When I went in, I knew that, but I was happy to take that risk because I believed in my country and I had faith in the leadership at the time, as flawed as it might have been (Bush Sr.). If I were young enough to be considering enlistment now, I don't know if I would do it, because I'll be damned if I'd want to die in Afghanistan because the ROE says I can't shoot back and an anti-American CIC won't OK the resources or tactics to win. I wouldn't be serving my country to die under such circumstances, and neither would anyone else.

[thecabal]

Beck is an anti war Paulite to start with.

That's complete bullshit. I don't know if you're just ignorant, or deliberately spreading lies.

[ansel12]

Of course it will, putting off enlisting for years is too late for most guys, by then they have moved on with their lives to a different stage and situation.

I am telling people here that if they want to keep their own children out of the military because they don’t approve of these times, then it is fair for other people’s kids as well, don’t be hypocrites, if you are against enlisting then be consistent and try to discourage other parent’s children from enlisting, join Glenn Beck and promote the idea.

If you read the posts again you will see that some freepers here are striving to keep their sons from enlisting, so catch up and don’t mislead people that haven’t read the entire thread.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

“Going into the service is something each man should decide for himself, and he should decide that carefully, because you could end up giving your life.”
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“I’ll be damned if I’d want to die in Afghanistan because the ROE says I can’t shoot back and an anti-American CIC won’t OK the resources or tactics to win. I wouldn’t be serving my country to die under such circumstances, and neither would anyone else.”
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Great post,,,

IIRC the enlistment bonus is $20,000 now for a green 18yo,,,

That really ain’t enough money to pay them for that job,,,

Damn well ain’t enough to die for,,,

O’Bammy set the ROE,,,

His “yes men” enforce it...

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

I meant, that to fill the empty spaces left by our “sunshine patriots” that it is required that we accept girls and moms in the place of the men that won’t show up, or as I’m learning, the sons of some conservatives that try to keep them from serving.
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Maybe a Draft for those young men that won’t show up ?...

[ansel12]

Maybe a Draft for those young men that won’t show up ?...

Personally I think that if we put a more masculine spin on enlisting and service that this giant population could easily supply the males needed for our relatively small military.

I used to cringe when the army would run an ad that amounted to saying "join the army, be a warrior etc, etc but if you can't make it, then have your girlfriend or mom or little sister come down for the job.

Males want to belong to an exclusive club that gives them male pride, once you let them know that their high school sports team was elite but in the army they will have the girls as forced team mates and equals, then they lose interest.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Personally I think that if we put a more masculine spin on enlisting and service that this giant population could easily supply the males needed for our relatively small military.
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IMO this small force is part of the problem,,,

We have needed a larger force since 9/11,,,

Troops have been in the field waaay too long without

a proper rotation,,,

One I know of was 18 months in combat in Mahmudiyh(10th.Mtn.),,,(29 months total as of now)...