Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
I’d be real quick to deny that if I were you, Buck.
You’re treading on thin ice with that kind of attitude.
Acts 12:21-23 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.
Ah, I see you are projecting again. I am secure in who I am and what I do for a living. But that doesn't change the issue at all. You are forcing externally, an interpretation upon a bible passage that just 1) doesn't exist and 2) you are wrong about anyway given the context of the description.
No, you are still augmenting scripture with interpretation. I am not arguing with the fact that a circular circumference divided by the corresponding diameter equals pi. The bible, though, with no further information says that the circ over the diam equals 3.
Being pedantic may impress some, but argumentum ad nauseam doesn't prove you point. Given an approximately 4 inch wide lip - where does the passage say the 10 cubit measurement was made ?????????? Until you do, you claim is not valid. However, the purplemath people had no trouble understanding the meaning - and came out with a decent estimation of pi given the variances in cubits and hands.
Interpertation - LOL, you are interpreting that the bowl had a razor thin lip = absent any supporting documentation. I've already gave you a nice clue in the definition of the Hebrew used - but no interpretation necessary, just good biblical scholarship. What requires interpretation is where you get YOUR values from.
One must interpret the scene to provide the data necessary to fix it. The scripture is not literally inerrant on its own.
Ever the atheistically oriented skeptic - still digging away. Since the information is already present in the scripture passage to describe the bowl, and a non-Christian organization such as purplemath can readily understand what is being described - that is not "interpretation" and the passage description is pretty straight forward. Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of "interpretation' and figure out where you departed from the trail. Nor is it allegory, again, since the Hebrew words provide specific definitions and uses AND a literal representation of the presented data fits the understanding and practices of the era AND COMES OUT WITH THE CORRECT RESULT, then it is inerrant on this point. And YOU rejecting the context, Hebrew usage and simple comprehensive understanding of what is being described in accordance with technology of the era still want to trot out and say - oh pi=3, is so pitiful. Occams razor comes to mind here which makes more sense -
Your claim that the text say pi=3 while ignoring the other information present in the passage or_
That the passage, while not trying to claim to present the value of pi, is correct in its statement based upon the description given, the Hebrew words used and the simplicity that it does show that pi=3.14 given assumptions used by purple math.
I'd say you are bailing you boat out with a bottomless bucket Bucky boy.
Really, I’m a Christian and I understand this. Can’t you?
Still waiting to see what you base your claim to being a Christian on.
What do you expect from a Mittbot who’s going around trying to drum up enough support for Mitt now so that he can go back and tell Mitt that he’s got it if he should run in TWO years?
Sheesh, all this trying convince people that they have to vote for Mitt IF he should just happen to get the nomination, sounds like nothing else.
Resty “gods” are not joint heirs with Jesus ...
Only Christians are...(as in “humans”)
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:17
That the Gentiles should be joint heirs, and of the same body as the Jews, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel: Ephesians 3:6
Likewise, you husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being joint heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. 1 Peter 3:7
Gollies...look at that...
Gentiles, Jews, women, all joint heirs with Christ Jesus...
but no mormons mentioned...
Oh, noes...
It’s not a question of math. It’s a question of augmenting scripture. There are none so blind as those who will not see (i.e., you).
I should have my head examined. I come here for a challenge, and the most capable opponent I find is you.
“Given an approximately 4 inch wide lip - where does the passage say the 10 cubit measurement was made ?????????? “
Precisely—it doesn’t!
Your journey of self discovery has begun! The biblically-derived value of pi can only be correct with further interpretation and context!
Come on—you’re not really a scientist, are you? I mean, this is simple. Perhaps you just play a scientist on TV.
When did you become a BHO supporter?
Wait—in one post, you say the bible is not inerrant. Now you’re saying it is.
Which is it?
This Christian doesn’t understand your cultish ways.
Read my post. Perhaps you’ll understand.
I should have my head examined. I come here for a challenge, and the most capable opponent I find is you.
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Therein lies the root of your problem...
From the neck up...
You are challenged...by God Himself...and losing...
Do you want a handicap ???
too much knowledge is a challenge in itself when it comes to the things of God...
Jesus said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Mark 10:14, 15
But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Luke 18:16, 17
One small point.
Have you tried finding out who put together the various books of Sacred Scripture deemed authentic that we now call the Bible? The Catholic Church.
Here’s the Credo traced to the Apostles of Christ:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge
the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he
is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic
and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
The only one "augmenting" scripture here is you. I provided background on the hebrew used, which apparently you still don't understand - but others more readily understand, and have the math to back it up. I can see quite well, as can the majority of the other lurkers here. Pedantic recitation of an invalid claim is simply the evidence of a mind that wants to reject truth.
I should have my head examined. I come here for a challenge, and the most capable opponent I find is you.
Yep you really should son, you're still in the rookie leagues if all you can do is recite refuted atheistic drivel in the face of the truth.
None can enter into until they are...
John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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To gain salvation, men must repent and keep the commandments, be born again, cleanse their garments through the blood of Christ, be humble and strip themselves from pride and envy, and do the works of righteousness—The Good Shepherd calleth his people—Those who do evil works are children of the devil—Alma testifies of the truth of his doctrine and commands men to repent—Names of the righteous shall be written in the book of life. About 83 B.C.
Alma 5 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/5/49#49
46 Behold, I say unto you they are made known unto me by the Holy Spirit of God. Behold, I have fasted and prayed many days that I might know these things of myself. And now I do know of myself that they are true; for the Lord God hath made them manifest unto me by his Holy Spirit; and this is the spirit of revelation which is in me.
47 And moreover, I say unto you that it has thus been revealed unto me, that the words which have been spoken by our fathers are true, even so according to the spirit of prophecy which is in me, which is also by the manifestation of the Spirit of God.
48 I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.
49 And now I say unto you that this is the order after which I am called, yea, to preach unto my beloved brethren, yea, and every one that dwelleth in the land; yea, to preach unto all, both old and young, both bond and free; yea, I say unto you the aged, and also the middle aged, and the rising generation; yea, to cry unto them that they must repent and be born again.
50 Yea, thus saith the Spirit: Repent, all ye ends of the earth, for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand; yea, the Son of God cometh in his glory, in his might, majesty, power, and dominion. Yea, my beloved brethren, I say unto you, that the Spirit saith: Behold the glory of the King of all the earth; and also the King of heaven shall very soon shine forth among all the children of men.
51 And also the Spirit saith unto me, yea, crieth unto me with a mighty voice, saying: Go forth and say unto this people—Repent, for except ye repent ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of heaven.
52 And again I say unto you, the Spirit saith: Behold, the ax is laid at the root of the tree; therefore every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be hewn down and cast into the fire, yea, a fire which cannot be consumed, even an unquenchable fire. Behold, and remember, the Holy One hath spoken it.
Relocated to AZ to be near my daughters...and am enjoying them immensely!
If one repeats a lie often enough, he comes to believe it.
bzzzzt. wrong. I gave you the hebrew word and it indicates the outer edge, while you insist on a HYPOTHETICAL circle. Yet non-Christians at purplemath were able to quick figure it out too - tsk tsk.
Your journey of self discovery has begun! The biblically-derived value of pi can only be correct with further interpretation and context!
Context is PART of the bible record bucky boy, there is no interpretation necessary to it as has been proven over and over and over again. Nor have you proven that the intent of the scripture at that spot was to define pi (crickets). Nothing extrabiblical is necessary - it is all there in the passage. Since you admit the record could not be precise, it is a resulting fallacy to demand accuracy to two significant decimal places.
Come on—you’re not really a scientist, are you? I mean, this is simple. Perhaps you just play a scientist on TV.
Yes I am , even more so that the wanna be intellectual you try to play here in this thread.
It is the height of intellectual arrogance to demand precision to two decimal places when the means of measurement were not to that same level of accuracy - I know it is kinda of a hard concept for you to grasp, but as a scientist it comes naturally. When one precise number is multiplied by an imprecise number, the product should be reported with no more precision than the least precise factor (ooooh that is a scientific kinda thing too), deal with this kind of thing on almost a daily basis. Skeptics who allege an inaccuracy are wrong, because they fail to take into account all the data - that is not interpretation and context is the rest of the data. As a scientist, I deal with all the data, not just the cherry picked phrase you get from a skeptic site. Because you refuse to define WHERE those measurements were taken AND the level of technology of the period AND the context of a DESCRIPTION of an object and not a mathematical text, I think all here see just who is playing who here.
Laughing Placemarker!
Kinda basic stuff there that I had in every freshman and sophomore science class I took in college.
Since it comes naturally to a scientist, it strongly suggests that Buck is no more a scientist than he is a Christian.
BTW, Buck, just what IS your educational experience? What are your scientific credentials? What field of scientific inquiry are you currently pursuing?
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