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Is Mormonism Christian? by Late Richard John Neuhaus
November 24, 2009

Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: Buck W.

Yeah, I know you frequent the crevo threads.

The other evos have been known to lie about what creationists believe as well.

It’s no fib.

And I say that as a Christian.


541 posted on 11/27/2009 8:41:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: reaganaut

Works won’t “cleanse”

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show me where it is said that works will cleanse?

It is you who assume.

It is written by their fruits ye shall know them, or your rewards will be according to your works etc.

But Salvation, saved etc. is a gift and can not be brough it is by grace no other way, all one has to do is accept the Lord’s gift!


542 posted on 11/27/2009 8:42:44 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves! ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: metmom

Then you’ll have to tell those creationists who believe that that they don’t believe that.

See you on the crevo threads! I can’t wait for this!


543 posted on 11/27/2009 8:42:57 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

So why are you telling me that every word of the Bible is not literally true?

You never answered the question the first time I asked it.


544 posted on 11/27/2009 8:43:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey

Rehab program for Obama loving Mormon bashers...


545 posted on 11/27/2009 8:44:10 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: restornu

define “salvation”. Are you referring to general salvation (all will be resurrected), or specific salvation (getting into the presence of God the Father in the Celestial Kingdom)?

You know as well as I do that in order to get to the CK, there are works involved and that CK salvation, or exaltation, is only “by grace ye are saved AFTER all you can do”.

The LDS have an ENTIRELY different view of salvation than non-LDS Christians do.


546 posted on 11/27/2009 8:45:41 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu

Repent and come unto the Lord and ye will know!
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That so called “prophet” thingy...

Joey Smith was a false prophet...

He found he could sound authentic by sayimng “thus sez the mormon lord” but what he had to say was fantasy...and said only to gain sex, money, power over other people and put them in bondage to him...

People living on the moon ??? To bad Joey didnt prophesy that men would travel to the moon in 1969 and find nobody there...Guess he was safe with that one at the time...

the mormon jesus would return in 1890 ??? Joey gave himself an out here, figuring he and the adults who heaqrd him would be dead when jeus didmnt come back then... Too bad it was written down...BTW its 2009 and Jesus has not returned to Jerusalem in Israel yet...Israel, not Independance, Missouri...

He prophesied great future things to one or two of his cohorts but they were dead long before that great day arrived...

the mormon god was going to destroy the US presaident and anyone else who got in his way...ie didnt bow to Joey and his distorted unGodly views..The God of the Bible destroyed Joey Smith...

Mormonism was going to spread throughout the world and the end was near...180 years later theres only about 13 million inflated numbers and most of them are not “temple mormons” so they are not real members...

and so on...

Resty, do ya have a fav “prophecy” ???


547 posted on 11/27/2009 8:46:20 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; reaganaut
But Salvation, saved etc. is a gift and can not be brough it is by grace no other way, all one has to do is accept the Lord’s gift!

The real Jesus, resty. The one in the Bible, who is God Himself come to earth in the flesh, born of a virgin.

Not the made up one who is Satan's half-brother, that the Mormons teach about.

The apostle Paul warns about following another Jesus and another gospel, which is no gospel at all.

Read Galatians in the real Bible, the one that has been around for almost 2,000 years.

Not the one that someone claims to have found buried in the ground who can't produce the originals because oops, some angel took them back for some reason. (How convenient)

548 posted on 11/27/2009 8:47:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

As I said those who think they are like filthy rags will never understand...

It can only be understood by the power Holy Spirit


549 posted on 11/27/2009 8:47:45 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves! ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: ejonesie22

Rehab program for Obama loving Mormon bashers...

= = = = = = = = =
ROFL.


550 posted on 11/27/2009 8:48:08 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu; Tennessee Nana

As I said those who think they are like filthy rags will never understand

It can only be understood by the power Holy Spirit
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So Isaiah didn’t understand? Interesting.

And it is because the Holy Spirit has given us understanding that we see the place our “works” have in the sight of God...filthy rags.

“Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me!”


551 posted on 11/27/2009 8:51:45 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Buck W.

Provide me with the links to show that anyone believes that the entire Bible should be read as literal, word for word, and doesn’t recognize style, poetry, songs, parables, etc.

The entire Bible is true, because it is the Word of God, and God is truth. He cannot lie.

That is a far cry from demanding that the entire Bible be read and taken word for word literally, which is what you claim others advocate.

You shouldn’t lie about creationists like that.

And I say that as a Christian. A real one.


552 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: reaganaut; restornu

Same lingo, different meanings.

That’s what really tipped me off to what Mormons were up to. They sound good, but don’t fess up to the fact that what they MEAN is not what they know you think it means.

Not very forthright, I should say.


553 posted on 11/27/2009 8:54:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Was the earth created in 6 24-hour days?


554 posted on 11/27/2009 8:56:48 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: metmom

Same lingo, different meanings.

That’s what really tipped me off to what Mormons were up to.

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exactly. When I became a Christian, I had to relearn vocabulary. Of course, my lack of understanding BEFORE I joined of Christian definitions factored into my being deceived by the LDS missionaries and their teachings.


555 posted on 11/27/2009 8:58:45 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: OpeEdMunkey
Just to give you a bit of insight no Palin supporter, and I could be counted in that though I prefer Barbour, is afraid of Mitt in a fair fight among true conservatives.

However the concept of fair pertains to Romney about as much as does the term Conservative.

556 posted on 11/27/2009 9:02:29 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: OpeEdMunkey
Just to give you a bit of insight no Palin supporter, and I could be counted in that though I prefer Barbour, is afraid of Mitt in a fair fight among true conservatives.

However the concept of fair pertains to Romney about as much as does the term Conservative.

557 posted on 11/27/2009 9:12:29 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Buck W.

What’s that got to do with my post 552?

Why don’t you provide the links instead of changing the subject to deflect attention from yourself?


558 posted on 11/27/2009 9:12:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey; ansel12

I’m a Palin supporter and not afraid of Mitt at all.

Why do you try to misrepresent Palin supporters like that? On what basis have you come to the conclusion that people who won’t vote for a pro-abortion, pro-big government liberal because they have convictions and morals are afraid of him?


559 posted on 11/27/2009 9:15:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: reaganaut

So Isaiah didn’t understand? Interesting.

You are putting words into my mouth!

I said those who think they are filthy rags...

Rev 22

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Isaiah is OT the Lord has come as wrtten in the NT and those who believe, repent and are baptized receiving the Holy Ghost have been washed and are clean will continue to be as long as they continue to repent and receive their sacarment for the dirt of the world continues to rub off until one leaves this plain.

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we see the place our “works” have in the sight of God...filthy rags.

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That is not always what the scriptures say about work!

Rev 22

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine *angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely
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18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Rev 14
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


560 posted on 11/27/2009 9:18:04 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves! ~ Joseph Smith)
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