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To: FredZarguna; Chet 99; Swordmaker
And don't forget, Jobs and Wozniak started their work together building black boxes in their garage to rip off Ma Bell by enabling free long distance calls.

From Jobs biography:

In the autumn of 1974, Jobs returned to California and began attending meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club with Steve Wozniak. He took a job as a technician at Atari, a manufacturer of popular video games, with the primary intent of saving money for a spiritual retreat to India.

Jobs then traveled to India with a Reed College friend (and, later, the first Apple employee), Daniel Kottke, in search of spiritual enlightenment. He came back a Buddhist with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing. During this time, Jobs experimented with psychedelics, calling his LSD experiences "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life." He has stated that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not fully relate to his thinking.

He returned to his previous job at Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered US$100 for each chip that was reduced in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $600 (instead of the actual $5000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $300.

Jobs has a long history of stealing the work of others, taking the credit, while claiming to travel on a "higher plain" than the rest of the common folk.

25 posted on 11/11/2009 10:43:49 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense
And don't forget, Jobs and Wozniak started their work together building black boxes in their garage to rip off Ma Bell by enabling free long distance calls.

Yes, they did, and for the rest of your cut and paste from Wickipedia, apparently, yes, he did. So what?

Thomas Edison cheated Nicola Tesla out of $50,000 back when that was real money and Edison was a fully mature adult. Bill Gates sold IBM an operating system he did not own at the time of the sale—and did not disclose much more important information than the details of the "breakout" deal—to the guy he bought it from to get it.

People are flawed... except for you, who must be perfect to be so judgemental.

The statute of limitations on the Jobs/Wozniak blue boxes is long over, as are the potentials for picayune drug crimes of the early 70s, Woz has long since and multiple times forgiven Jobs for the so-called theft of the money for "Breakout." Incidentally, Jobs brokered the "Breakout" deal with Atari... and contracted with Jobs to do the design which he agreed to do for the specified $300. Without Jobs, Woz wouldn't have gotten within a statute mile of that deal. Was it ethical? I wouldn't have done it to a friend. Was it legal? I don't know. But Woz agreed to the $300 and was happy until someone outed the deal later. . . but by that time Woz was a multimillionaire dozens of times over, because of the efforts of Steve Jobs who knew how to capitalize on Woz's ideas... something Woz was totally incapable of.

In his adult life, after he grew up, Jobs has successfully remade three major economic markets making hundreds of millions of dollars for Woz, and Billions of dollars for people who have seen fit to trust his acumen, judgement, and abilities and invested in his companies and projects.

Those who throw such brickbats as you did in this thread, do so, I think, because of jealousy and envy.

29 posted on 11/11/2009 11:11:10 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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