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Microsoft manager admits to copying 'Mac look and feel'
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Posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:06 PM PST by Gomez

We've been saying it for years, but everyone thought that we Mac-heads had a chip on our shoulder from the once-sour relationship with Microsoft. Finally, however, the truth has come to light; a group manager from Microsoft has gone on record and admitted the source of some of Windows 7's prettier bits and pieces.

Simon Aldous sat down with PCR for an interview and when he was asked to comment on the agility of Redmond's latest operating system, he had this to say:

"What we've tried to do with Windows 7 – whether it's traditional format or in a touch format – is create a Mac look and feel."
While I am glad that people at Microsoft are finally accepting the superiority of OS X, it still stung a little when Simon started to backtrack saying that Vista was more stable than OS X.

Update: It looks like the Windows team had a few things to say about Simon's earlier remarks noting that "his comments were inaccurate and uninformed." It is, in my opinion, difficult to deny that the OS X dock has had a positive impact on how people use their computers whether they be PCs or Macs. That being said, I'm glad Microsoft didn't take this one lying down.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
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To: abigkahuna

That was not meant for all Mac users, just the PC-bashing, Mac FANBOYS.

They’re like that annoying person that, while you are putting a fork-full of food in your mouth, say something like: “You’re not really going to eat that, are you? Yuk! That’s disgusting!”

Geeky elitists, agitated in their cult-like belief in the infallibility of a brand of computer. Who never miss an opportunity to try to convince PC owners of just how dumb they are to continue to use a PC.

I’m sick of it.


41 posted on 11/12/2009 12:47:24 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau
You know, this whole mac, pc thing is pretty funny-kinda like is the Ford Mustang better than the Pontiac Firebird, or Chevy Camaro....

I have poked around friends pc's and quite frankly the MS operating system sucks big time--windows popping up everywhere, things disappearing...FIles going to places that make no sense, programs freezing and crashing.

I really detest paperclips asking me the most inane questions...Of course I want to do the task-=that's why I pushed the key. jeez

The mac osx will also periodically have a window pop up--but it will allow me to have it never pop up again...No talking paperclips...straight forward no nonsense. Intuitive like I said before.

42 posted on 11/12/2009 12:55:22 AM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna

I am SO happy you love your computer. That is just wonderful. Why, you’ve made my week with that bit of positivity.

Now, I can return to my shop tomorrow to repair PC’s AND Mac’s feeling so much better because there is at least one person out there who simply loves his computer.

Thank you, really.


43 posted on 11/12/2009 1:01:45 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

Why Boucheau, you are so welcome! Yes I happen to like my macbook...


44 posted on 11/12/2009 1:16:45 AM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: uncommonsense; dayglored; antiRepublicrat; Richard Kimball; ReignOfError; Aquabird; tubebender; ...
And Jobs / Apple owes their current solvency and existence to Microsoft's $150 million cash infusion in 1997. This was on the heals of Jobs being fired from Apple for mismanaging it's product strategy, then starting and tanking Next Computer in 1996 - based on the culmination of everything he knew at the time. So, no, Steve Jobs doesn't walk on water as you seem to believe.

Again? Twice in one night that myth is trotted out. Good Grief.

Just factual.

Uncommonsense? I am sorry but I don't see even common sense. So far, YOU have produced no facts at all.

Like I said earlier evening, this MYTH is like the hydra... it keeps popping up and if you lop off a head, two more pop up.

What you posted is male bovine exrement.

Apple had $1.4 BILLION in cash and another $400 million other liquid assets in when Microsoft was forced to settle a patent and copyright infringement lawsuit that Apple had brought against them that could have cost them many times that amount.

Apple allowed them, in a series of three interlocking contracts, to save face by buying $150 million in Apple Preferred Stock. Microsoft also was required, by the terms of the settlement, to License from Apple, for an undisclosed yearly amount, the Quicktime software copyrights and patents they had mis-appropriated from Apple. In addition, Microsoft agreed to continue development and marketing of MS Office for Mac for an additional five years. MS was also required to relinquish to Apple, licenses for some of their intellectual properties in perpetuity at no cost to Apple.

For its part, Apple agreed to drop the lawsuit and include MS Internet Explorer for Mac on its new computers and distribution disks for a period of five years... along with Netscape Communicator.

My, my, that looks like Microsoft LOST this lawsuit, BIG TIME, doesn't it.

. . . $150 million cash infusion 1997. This was on the heals [sic] of Jobs being fired...

Jobs was ousted from Apple the company he co-founded and built, not for mis-management, because he was not CEO, just Chairman of the Board, in 1987, TEN YEARS BEFORE the lawsuit settlement. He was fired because of a management dispute with CEO John Sculley. History has proved Jobs was right, Sculley wrong.

Since Jobs had had nothing to do with the management of Apple for 10 years, any financial straits that your mythical Apple history has afflicting the company was not, as your assertion implies, due to Jobs' lack of management skills—it is demonstrably the failure of a line of three incompetent CEOs who did not have vision.

Apple bought NeXT for $400 million dollars from Jobs—hardly a "tanked" operation—and, in an admission of their error of ten years before, placed Jobs back on the Board of Directors of Apple. On Gil Amelio's resignation, Jobs became interim CEO. Since that elevation, Apple's Stock has risen over 2000%. . . the number two greatest increase/period on the Stock market.

You also completely ignore Jobs 1986 purchase of Pixar for $10 million—a mere pittance, from George Lucas—which he then turned around and sold to Disney for $6 BILLION. . . and essentially took over Disney.


45 posted on 11/12/2009 1:47:44 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Boucheau
Now, I can return to my shop tomorrow to repair PC’s AND Mac’s feeling so much better because there is at least one person out there who simply loves his computer.

And I'm still waiting for that list of OS X viruses you claim to clean off of numerous Macs at your shop... tick, tick, tick...

46 posted on 11/12/2009 1:51:39 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: politicket
In fact, I just had one of my employees cry to me about not having a USB headset since that's the only type of headset his Macbook Pro would take. Apparently it doesn't have any audio inputs.

Okay, so the both of you are incapable of Googling. On the latest MacBook Pros, the audio input and output jack are one in the same.
47 posted on 11/12/2009 2:27:30 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Swordmaker

It’s called Google. Enjoy.


48 posted on 11/12/2009 2:36:42 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: FredZarguna
Microsoft is nowhere near as left-wing a company as Apple.

Care to provide an example where MS less left-wing than Apple or Apple is more left-wing than MS?

49 posted on 11/12/2009 3:59:51 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: Boucheau
They’re like that annoying person that, while you are putting a fork-full of food in your mouth, say something like: “You’re not really going to eat that, are you? Yuk! That’s disgusting!

Please check the mirror. Please! You descend on a Mac thread and throw out invectives like "fagboys". It's rude. It's ungentlemanly. And you complain about annoying behavior?

You know what I don't see on Windows related threads? I don't see people like Swordmaker, barging into the thread to drop trash-talk.

50 posted on 11/12/2009 4:18:05 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
My grandson's friends tell him(he is 21)that Windows 7 sucks. There are still lots of games that won't work on 7. This is their honest opinion. They just purchased Windows 7 and they do not like it. You can't trust pre-release reviews for many reasons.

I have no opinion, not planning on going to 7 for many years yet and by then something else will be out.

51 posted on 11/12/2009 5:01:26 AM PST by calex59
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To: Boucheau

As opposed to the PC “fagboys” (your stupid term) who jump on every Mac thread to bash “the Apple cult”?


52 posted on 11/12/2009 5:11:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: Boucheau

Technically, ‘google’ isn’t a virus.


53 posted on 11/12/2009 5:29:33 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: antiRepublicrat; FredZarguna; Swordmaker
My original point: that Apple has never really come up with an original idea of its own
BTW, few ideas overall are completely original. You can almost always find some origin. For example, Englebart invented the mouse, not PARC. The WWW is just a larger version of Hypercard, written by Apple. But Hypercard is basically a high-speed, computerized Rolodex. The first digital music player was made in the 70s, and the first on sale was from Korea in the late 90s. Microsoft's MS-DOS was a copy of CP/M for x86 chips, but CP/M itself was influenced by TOPS-10.
But it is true, Apple quite often isn't the first to do something. Apple's main claim to fame is in being the first to do something right.
There's a decent list of things that sucked before Apple decided to try it.
What's the saying?
"It's not who gets there fustest.

And it's not who gets there with the mostest.

It's who gets there fustest with the mostest.


54 posted on 11/12/2009 6:24:52 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Anyone who claims to be objective marks himself as hopelessly subjective.)
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To: FredZarguna

” It’s called Objective-C.

* The.
* Stupidest.
* Language.
* Ever.”

Obj-C has been used to create some of the most successful software ever. While not Earth-shattering, it has some interesting and useful attributes, including full runtime dynamism. Categories are also innovative.

Besides, compared with the abortion (I use that term advisedly) that’s C++, it’s a thing of absolute beauty. ;-)

What software masterpiece(s) have you created, BTW?


55 posted on 11/12/2009 6:43:25 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: FredZarguna

“Microsoft hasn’t stolen anything”

LOL! Just yesterday MS pulled a Windows 7 installation tool from its website, because someone caught them using GPL code in it!

MS is the king of “innovating with other people’s ideas”. ;-)


56 posted on 11/12/2009 6:46:37 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: politicket
"Apparently it doesn't have any audio inputs."

Amazing, since mine does. Are you and he both blind?

From Apple's site, current ports on the 15" (I have a last-generation model):

* MagSafe power port
* Gigabit Ethernet port
* One FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)
* Mini DisplayPort
* Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)
* SD card slot
* Audio line in
* Audio line out
* Kensington lock slot

BTW, another interesting note is that VESA is adopting the Mini DisplayPort as a standard...

57 posted on 11/12/2009 6:57:10 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: SamAdams76
He was also heard to say that the Zune “couldn’t hold a candle” to the iPod.

Warning: No One should hold a candle to their iPod!

58 posted on 11/12/2009 7:23:39 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: FredZarguna
Apple gave Xerox an equity stake in the company in exchange for some -- but not all --

Which is a whole lot better than how MSFT treated Gary Kildall.

If the DMCA existed in 1980, MSFT wouldn't.

59 posted on 11/12/2009 7:46:53 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Boucheau
I really like my Mac. I've never really liked any of the PCs I've had, well, except an old 486 that ran DOS.
60 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:16 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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