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D-Day historian: 'Ryan' not best war film
CNN ^ | 11/11/2009 | Matthew Carey

Posted on 11/11/2009 5:34:19 AM PST by Saije

Some reviewers have called "Saving Private Ryan," Steven Spielberg's World War II film about D-Day and the search for a soldier, one of the greatest war movies.

Military historian Antony Beevor begs to differ.

Not only is it not the greatest war movie, it's not even the best cinematic depiction of D-Day, says Beevor, author of the newly published "D-Day: The Battle for Normandy" (Viking).

He admires the famed Omaha Beach opening -- "Probably the most realistic battle sequence ever filmed," he said -- but described the rest of "Saving Private Ryan" as "ghastly."

"It's sort of a 'Dirty Dozen' cliche of the worst form," he said.***

Beevor says a director would do well to remember that the Allied effort to retake the continent extended well beyond that single day of June 6, 1944.

"D-Day, although an iconic moment, was not actually the end of it. Films like 'The Longest Day' and 'Saving Private Ryan' almost give the impression that D-Day was 'it' and then the next thing people know about was the liberation of Paris," he said. "But in fact it was the fighting in Normandy which was far worse. Casualties on D-Day were far lighter than expected -- [military leaders] had expected 10,000 dead and only 3,000 died.

"The real fighting and the real casualties," he added, "came in the Battle of Normandy."

So what does Beevor prefer in the way of a Hollywood treatment of D-Day? Another project Spielberg had a hand in, "Band of Brothers."

"On the whole I think [it] was pretty close to the truth," Beevor said of the 2001 HBO miniseries, which Spielberg and Tom Hanks executive produced. He called it "incomparably more realistic" than "Saving Private Ryan."

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: cinema; dday; movies; war; wwii
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To: ken5050

I guess it’s called “The Pacific”. Spielberg and Hanks are producing it; they did “Band of Brothers”.


101 posted on 11/11/2009 8:03:06 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Letters from Iwo Jima is a WW II story told from the perspective of Japanese soldiers awaiting US Marines on this forsaken island. I thought it was very good.
102 posted on 11/11/2009 8:08:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have the utmost respect for Antony Beevor. His books on Stalingrad and Berlin ‘45 are two of the most informative historical accounts I have ever read.


103 posted on 11/11/2009 8:12:48 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULvexW7_IT8


104 posted on 11/11/2009 8:14:36 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama is a DIC....... Ditherer-in-Chief)
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To: SJSAMPLE
“Das Boot”, anyone? Amazing movie. Or how about the more recent, “Stalingrad”.

I watched them both. Stalingrad was exceptional. It reminded me a bit of Cross of Iron w/James Coburn. Enemy at the Gates was also excellent.

105 posted on 11/11/2009 8:19:12 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Renegade

“Hell is for Heroes”. -Steve McQueen


106 posted on 11/11/2009 8:31:46 AM PST by gigster
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To: ken5050
..."Battle of Britain"..amazing aerial photography..using real vintage WWII planes...at the time the movie was being made,

The ME-109s used in the movie had been surplused out by the Spanish Air Force.

Ironically, one of the mods made over the years was to replace the original engine with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines, which were also originally used in the Spitfire.

107 posted on 11/11/2009 8:33:52 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

“Hell is for Heroes”.
Steve McQueen


108 posted on 11/11/2009 8:34:52 AM PST by gigster
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To: Saije

The first 20 minutes of SPR was excellent.

The rest of it was ridiculous.


109 posted on 11/11/2009 8:37:22 AM PST by Jim Noble (We Are Traveling in the Footsteps of Those Who've Come Before)
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To: Saije

“The Victors”

Some think it an anti-war movie, but I didn’t see it quite that way.


110 posted on 11/11/2009 8:38:36 AM PST by Roccus (My anger is manufactured.......................................in the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS!!)
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To: gigster

My list of course did not cover everything—and yes almost anything Steve McQueen was in was excellent. He is one of my all time favorite actors. Other great movies to add to the list: The Great Escape, The Guns of Navarone, the Dirty Dozen, and the Cross of Iron with James Coburn. Generally speaking anything with Curt Jurgens and Maximilian Schell are also quite good.


111 posted on 11/11/2009 8:43:50 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: gigster
“Hell is for Heroes”.
Steve McQueen

I was going through this thread wondering if someone was going to bring it up before I got to the end and added it myself. Besides McQueen it's got James Coburn, Bobby Darin, Fess Parker and, inexplicably, Bob Newhart doing his telephone routine. Directed by the great Don Siegel, who along with Sergio Leone, Clint Eastwood credits for teaching him everything he knows about being a director.

112 posted on 11/11/2009 9:01:47 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: LRS

I’d forgotten that one.
Thanks for the reminder.

James Whitmore rallying the troops to march tall at the end was fantastic.


113 posted on 11/11/2009 9:38:35 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: dirtboy

I agree.
The rest of the film was somewhat revisionist and overly dramatized.


114 posted on 11/11/2009 9:41:07 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: ken5050

At the end, with Dana Winters sitting in the cockpit of a dismantled B-29, with hundreds of others.

Awful to see that great stuff “repurposed” like that.


115 posted on 11/11/2009 9:42:26 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: wbill

Only to Americans is it “based on actual events”.
Our Brit cousins, who were 99.99% of the actual events, resent the focus on American participation, which was almost nonexistent.

Great movie, nonetheless.


116 posted on 11/11/2009 9:49:05 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Renegade

Was this the one set in the Burmese theater?
McQueen carried a stock-less M1 Thompson,IIRC.


117 posted on 11/11/2009 9:50:26 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Pilot on a B-17 out of England.


118 posted on 11/11/2009 10:08:45 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies om Planet' and " Battle of the Worlds " on Blu-ray ?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hollywood is incapable of making an inspiring movie about war. They are either about the futility, brutality and tragedy of war or they are like “Ryan” and paint the soldiers as foul-mouthed twits.


119 posted on 11/11/2009 10:14:40 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: SJSAMPLE
The rest of the film was somewhat revisionist and overly dramatized.

Yeah, in that regard, it paralleled Private Ryan, although it still had some meat at times.

120 posted on 11/11/2009 10:23:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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