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Did Chinese ships discover America?
The Province ^ | 18 Oct 2009 | Susan Lazaruk

Posted on 10/21/2009 5:49:35 PM PDT by BGHater

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1 posted on 10/21/2009 5:49:35 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Another BC thread, ping.


2 posted on 10/21/2009 5:50:14 PM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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This site has some info and a photo of what may be ancient Chinese anchors in California.

http://www.cristobalcolondeibiza.com/2eng/2eng15.htm


3 posted on 10/21/2009 5:53:52 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: BGHater

Entirely possible. In fact I think the Americas were discovered multiple times.


4 posted on 10/21/2009 5:54:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: BGHater

Maybe, but how does it matter, other than for historical purposes?


5 posted on 10/21/2009 5:58:53 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A good Blue Dog is an unelected Blue Dog. Ditto Rino's!)
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I remember when I was visiting Yosemite and Sequoia National Parks many years ago, there was a plaque at one of those parks saying that Sequoia redwood trees only occur in three places on earth. One is central California (Yosemite and Sequoia National Parks), the other is Northern California and Southern Oregon, and the third is some place in China.

I wonder if early visitors to California brought back some cones or small trees to China?


6 posted on 10/21/2009 6:00:46 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: BGHater

Many people may have come here before Columbus, but he was the one developed permanent trading with the Americas. The world was a vastly different place after 10/12/1492, the same cannot be said of any previous visits from different explorers.


7 posted on 10/21/2009 6:09:16 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (There is no alternative - Margaret Thatcher)
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No. Their calendar was so screwed up, it took the Jesuits in the 17th century to set things right. It is not possible to do any kind of long distance travel without any kind of understanding of astronomy. The Chinese calendar began with a clear understanding of lunar phases, but mandates from the emperors affected everything - making the predictability of the calendar totally useless.
8 posted on 10/21/2009 6:10:35 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: BGHater

An interesting historical footnote, but that’s about it.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 6:11:55 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: BGHater

Entirely possible, the amusing thing is to hear from the ego/pride drive opinions that either support or deny these historical theories based on pre-conceived notions. Like the scientists who have the outcome of their experiments preordained in their construction.


10 posted on 10/21/2009 6:16:11 PM PDT by Sax
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Why not. But the Indians watched everybody come and go, come and go, until someone stayed. Chinese, Vikings, Kenyans, hello and goodbye.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 6:18:08 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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I believe that there was an article in Scientific American which discussed a Mummy, (maybe Peru) that was Asiatic in origin.

We do know that at the time of the first Potrugese ships rounding the tip of africa the Chinese were there as well.

12 posted on 10/21/2009 6:19:04 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae Cum Ita Sunt - Julius Caesar "Since these things are so!">)
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Nonsense. If one is navigating, i.e. traveling to a point represented on a chart or returning to a known location, a chronometer is an extremely valuable tool, but a calendar is useless. Polynesians successfully navigated the entire Pacific using nothing more than “stick maps” and a well developed lore. And to think that the Chinese were ignorant of astronomy and its usefulness is foolish.


13 posted on 10/21/2009 6:32:44 PM PDT by stormer
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14 posted on 10/21/2009 6:40:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: BGHater
Did Chinese ships discover America?

Junk science?

15 posted on 10/21/2009 6:47:59 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: blam

Blam isn’t on this thread yet?? Huh??


16 posted on 10/21/2009 6:49:31 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: BGHater
Just remembered another fact that points to the trade with the "new world" by the chinese.

CHILI PEPPERS"

The Chinese diet did not include hot sauces and peppers until they brought back chili pepeprs from Central American.

Agronomist have shown that while there were/are few cultivated peppers in the New World the Chinese grew and used selection techniques to produce over 500 varieties of hot peppers which were not of the New world but of Chinese invention. This is why much of their Southern cuisine is HOT!

17 posted on 10/21/2009 7:23:21 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae Cum Ita Sunt - Julius Caesar "Since these things are so!">)
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Note the "middle kingdom", 中国, with the circle around it.

Japan is labeled, 日本, just east of Korea. You can see that most everything is labeled a "country", 国. I'm not sure what the significance is of most of the notations, but along with the pictures of mountains, the character for mountain, 山, is quite prevalent.

How old is this map? The characters seem fairly modern to me.

18 posted on 10/21/2009 7:35:30 PM PDT by dr_lew
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19 posted on 10/21/2009 8:01:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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so, give us reparations and leave OUR planet!

20 posted on 10/21/2009 8:04:23 PM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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