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The Ten Biggest Lies of My Lifetime
Rational Review ^ | September 27, 2009 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 09/27/2009 5:04:44 AM PDT by J. Neil Schulman

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To: J. Neil Schulman

Abortion isn’t murder? OK, imagine taking an hour-old baby swinging him by his heels and crushing his head against a tree? Is that murder? What would be the difference between that and killing it in the womb i.e. an abortion 61-minutes earlier?


21 posted on 09/27/2009 5:39:09 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

I didn’t give the article an in depth reading. Why? Because after surfing through it, I didn’t see my initial thought upon reading the article’s title; Ronald Reagan, and the left’s outrageous campaign against him. You know, Ronald Reagan will take your grandparents’ Social Security away from them and force them to eat dog food; Ronald Reagan will start WWIII; etc.


22 posted on 09/27/2009 5:39:16 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
This is the exact reason conservatives are in trouble because eventhough the majority of people who hold these view have a conservative basis, they fail to connect what are the most important character traits... unselfish individuality, and honesty.

Libertarians R us!

23 posted on 09/27/2009 5:39:30 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Your list stinks.

One of the Founders' primary stated purposes for the existence of our Constitution is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to our POSTERITY."

Your ideology guts the Constitution, destroys the foundations of our form of government and the premises of liberty, while politically empowering the continuing daily slaughter of thousands of innocent and helpless children.

You're a holocaust enabler.

24 posted on 09/27/2009 5:40:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

I guess I agree with more than half your points though. Kudos for being outspoken.


25 posted on 09/27/2009 5:45:03 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Sherman Logan
So for a soul to be immortal it has always existed? I don't think that is Christian doctrine.

Except that the LORD personally proclaims this in Jeremiah 1:5. This is Jewish doctrine, which was then inherited into Christianity.

It is sad, really, the author and poster make good points, but by contradicting an irrefutable Jewish and Christian law regarding murder, he elevates the legitimacy of the other myths that he tries to debunk.

26 posted on 09/27/2009 5:46:02 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Cvengr
The soul is created at the moment of birth

You are welcome to your opinion. I disagree.

I see very little difference between a child partway down the birth canal and the same child after takings its first breath. If the second one has a soul, then so does the first.

The very idea of a soul is religious, BTW. From a scientific standpoint the development of the new life is continuous from conception to birth and adulthood. Deciding that any point on that continuum constitutes "personhood" is inherently arbitrary.

27 posted on 09/27/2009 5:47:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Cvengr
The soul is created at the moment of birth

How do you know?

Do you think you're God?


FACT: The human PERSON comes into physical existence at the moment of biological inception, when a human egg is fertilized and the first division of cells occurs. A unique individual with unique DNA.

The United States Constitution

"No PERSON shall be...deprived of life...without due process of law."

28 posted on 09/27/2009 5:48:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Abortion is the planned murder of the most helpless!
29 posted on 09/27/2009 5:50:55 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: pnh102

You are incorrect.

Few Christians believe in the pre-existence of human souls.

You have every right to believe this is (or should be) Christian doctrine, if you wish, but the vast majority of Christians disagree.

The Scripture you quote can be at least as appropriately read as referring to God’s foreknowledge.


30 posted on 09/27/2009 5:57:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Human organism” is a scientific concept. It starts at birth.

“Human personality under the law” is a cultural and legal concept. It cannot be determined using scientific methods.

For the vast majority of history most live adult human beings were not “persons” with rights under the law. FTM, until not that long ago a married woman in this country ceased to be a “person” legally during her husband’s life. The two on marriage became legally one person, with the legal actions of that person controlled by the husband.


31 posted on 09/27/2009 6:01:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
America is a Christian country.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well...Schulman has a valid point.

Christians may not always be a majority. The health, safety, and freedom to practice Christianity depends upon the principles upon which our nation is built.

As some may know, I hammer hard on the government schools. Why? Because they are an offense against every principle found in the First Amendment. They violate free speech, press, assembly, free practice of religion, and can never be religiously neutral.

So...How do government schools serve to illustrate J. Neil Schulman’s point #8?

In the mid-1800’s to the early 1900 virulent anti-Catholic sentiment fueled the creation and expansion of government schools. The government schools created taught all subjects within the framework of a generic Protestant religious worldview.

Ah!...But these foolish, foolish, foolish 19th and early 20th century government school proponents failed to realize the following:

Any government powerful enough to force generic Protestantism on the nation's children ( and make taxpayers pay for it) is powerful enough to have atheistic, Secular Humanist, Marxism forced on their children.

The same principle applies to Schulman’s #8. Christians must fight to preserve the principles of rule of law, limited government power, and freedom that have allowed this great nation to prosper. It is those principles that will protect us, as Christians, if we ever become a minority.

32 posted on 09/27/2009 6:03:39 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Sherman Logan
“Human organism” is a scientific concept. It starts at birth.

Name me one person in the history of humanity whose existence started at birth. In other words, one person who was not conceived and then nurtured in a human womb.

33 posted on 09/27/2009 6:05:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: Sherman Logan
You are incorrect.

Nope. If you are arguing about Christian belief, then the Bible is a perfectly legitimate, and heck, probably the only source you can cite to back up a claim about what Jesus or God says is correct.

Few Christians believe in the pre-existence of human souls.

Those who don't may call themselves Christians, but in the eyes of God, they are not, as their belief refutes what is said by God. As Jesus said in James 2:20, claiming faith without living it is BS.

... but the vast majority of Christians disagree.

Contrary to recent events, the fact remains that Christian doctrine is not decided by a popular vote. As believers, we all ignore certain parts of scripture from time to time, it doesn't mean that it is any less wrong to do so simply because a majority of us do it.

34 posted on 09/27/2009 6:07:04 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: saganite
Of course the poster does! However, the oddity of J.Neil Schulman posting an article by "J.Neil Schulman" warrants the tense.

About all I can say for J. Neil Schulman is that he has had at least a couple of misconceptions about what is true and what is myth for at least 53 years.

35 posted on 09/27/2009 6:07:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Did I accidently subscribe to the large print edition of FR?


36 posted on 09/27/2009 6:09:20 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Mr.Schulman,

I disagree with you concerning abortion.

And...There is a special place in hell for those who practice the dark art of shoving scissors into the skulls of viable pre-born babies, scrambling their brains, and sucking the gelatinous mass into a surgical suction jar.

I hold equal contempt for those who would allow a viable infant, who has survived an abortion, to shiver and die from exposure in a cold stainless steel sink in a hospital utility room. If an adult was placed on a cold slab and allowed to die from exposure it would be called torture...but..under Obamacare that, too, is coming.

37 posted on 09/27/2009 6:11:54 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Are you intentionally misunderstanding?

The concept of “person” with legal rights is just not a scientific concept. We can use science to inform us on who we should choose to grant such rights to, but science cannot make the choice for us.

“Person” is a legally and culturally determined concept. Science is no help. Science gives us information about the world. It does not help us choose between good and evil ways of using that knowledge.

FWIW, I agree that personhood begins at conception. I just cannot use science to convince someone else of this fact. Science has nothing to say on the issue.

BTW, under the Nazis “science” was used to show that Jews and Slavs were sub-humans. In our country the Dred Scott decision used “science” to determine that blacks had no rights which white men need respect.

Science is a wonderful tool. Moral and legal issues it cannot solve for us.


38 posted on 09/27/2009 6:13:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: pnh102
Contrary to recent events, the fact remains that Christian doctrine is not decided by a popular vote.

Agreed. However, when you hold a decidedly minority view, a modest person would say something like, "I believe such and such to be Christian doctrine."

He would not state his personal opinion as being representative of the generality.

39 posted on 09/27/2009 6:18:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

Science, history, law, the Constitutition, morality, religion. They all support the protection of the lives of all innocent persons from conception until natural death.

Quit clouding the issue and helping to confuse people. It’s killing human beings and destroying our free republic.


40 posted on 09/27/2009 6:19:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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