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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; river rat; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ...
In this installment of Saturday Night Gun Pron, I learn more than I ever wanted to know about M4 telescoping stocks. As I've worked on my own (I once owned three) AR15s, and others, I've come up with extra parts. This is, I think, my current inventory of surplus stocks.

The most interesting is the middle stock on the left. It's an original CAR15 sliding stock from the early 1970s. It's plastic-coated aluminum, rather than all-plastic like sliding stocks are now. The bottom two stocks are by Magpul, the middle one on the right is a generic M4 that came with the Colt .22, and the two top stocks are A1 and A2 fixed stocks.

When I started swapping things around, I accidentally stepped into the minefield of "mil spec" vs "commercial" buffer tubes. Both have the same thread where they screw into the back of the lower receiver, but the "commercial" tubes have a wall thickness a few thousandths thicker than the "military", so a "military" stock won't fit over a "commercial" tube. I finally was clued in when I read the instructions that came with the Magpul ACS stock, which I used first on my nephew's rifle.

I finally decided to order a "military" stock tube from Brownell's so I'd know what I was working with. I got the Magpul CTR stock (lower left), along with a strange buffer tube that was totally unusable on an AR15. Back again to Brownell's to order just a "military" tube, and a matching lock ring, just to be safe.

I was happy, my AR15 was happy, and I put all the extra parts, including the unusable buffer tube, in a box where I knew I could find them if I needed something in the future.

Then the Sig 556 arrived. I looked at it, and realized there was nothing inside the buffer tube, it was there just so the sliding stock could slide along it. That got me to thinking about the weird buffer tube I had, so I went to the shelf where I put it for safekeeping, and the box was gone!

Last week, I got the Colt M4-22. Since the Magpul stock from my AR-15 fit the buffer tube properly, I knew it was a "military" one also. So I ordered a Magpul ACS stock for both the .22, and the "real" M-faux, since I would be building them to be as identical as possible.

That got me curious as to where my stash of stocks and buffer tubes went. I looked in my "safe" spot on the shelf, and the box was back again! And now I realized that the "unusable" funky buffer tube was a folding telescoping tube that could only be for the Sig 556 family. Sure enough, I did a bit of swapping, and wound up with this:

And when I pressed the latch on the left side of the adapter, it gave me this

I don't know what I did to wind up with the Sig folding buffer tube, but it works like a charm, even with the "wrong" style of stock on it.

I'm waiting for the rear sling adapter to use with the folder, but that's on its way, along with the bayonet lug and bayonet. At that point, my unplanned mods to the rifle should be over (I hope).


131 posted on 09/26/2009 11:45:15 PM PDT by 300winmag (Zero to abject failure in under a month. A new land speed record!)
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To: 300winmag

LOL ......yeah over the years , spare parts pile up and later turn out to be gems we never knew we needed.

My goal of late is to find the holy grail of buffers for my 3 gun match rigs..... custom gas tubes like the pig tail , fulton adjustable and the fat bob, selectors grips and other fine tuning widgets to keep the rigs lightweight , fast and on target !


132 posted on 09/27/2009 12:30:18 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: 300winmag; ExGeeEye; g'nad

Just goes to show you, the borrowers got and then, as usual, returned it to the same place they borrowed it from. LSA will confirm it, I rarely if ever, throw anything out. There are a few items that the borrowers have tried out and then returned, my xtra asp for example. It’s for LSA’s Dad, I gave him a night stick a good long while ago and he finally laid it down someplace and the borrowers got it.


145 posted on 09/27/2009 5:41:36 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: 300winmag

Two words for the Sig ‘sooo weeet’ and a folder no less. Excellent win mag - That Sig is nice.


147 posted on 09/27/2009 5:52:48 PM PDT by osagebowman
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