Posted on 08/26/2009 12:40:24 PM PDT by kellynla
If Obama's father was a Kenyan then how could Hussein be eligible to be POTUS?
Constitutionally yes, they're qualified.
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Well, the Constitution is the only thing that matter here and it identifies only two forms - naturalized and natural born. Any other type you care to make up is irrelevant.
Gee, let me check...damn!...you're right, it's off...I hate it when that happens.
“No dude, his mother’s american citizenship and his fathers kenyan citizenship cancel each other out, he should be living in a UN refugee camp for countryless people or something.”
I’ll buy that.
There is a lot of opinion and back-and-forth arguing about this issue, and it’s not going to stop. The problem is that the case of what parameters need to be extant to make a person a natural-born citizen have never been adjudicated. All we have to go on are legal opinions of people who know the Constitution, but they come down on all sides of the issue.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for a court to take this one on in today’s political atmosphere. Too bad they’re such cowards, but they think that it would destroy the country if zer0 were found to be ineligible.
So where does that leave us? The country can be destroyed by zer0, or it can be destroyed by riots and mayhem if he is removed.
We need to take back the reins and slow this stagecoach ‘way down.
The 1939 case of Perkins Vs. ELG shows who can be a natural born citizen, while the 1898, Wong Kim Ark vs. U.S. defines a “native born citizen”. Some people get confused between native born citizen versus natural born citizen. The Supreme Court did not interchange the terms because they do not have the same meaning. If they did, then Ark would be a Natural Born citizen.
(I stole that from RS - thanks)
In other words, you can’t.
The founders exempted themselves, or none of them would have been able to serve. That’s in the eligibility clause.
Well, we could nurture and support electable candidates with conservative messages that resonate with a majority of voters. Or we could nurture and support conspiracy theories surrounding the man who received 65 million votes and has been sworn in to office by the highest court in the land.
Don't say we can do both because one message is going to drown out the other. And I'll tell you what else. One of the paths above is a sure loser.
Can you?
thx
Native-born citizens are natural-born citizens as per the 14th amendment.
Having read the Elg decision I can safely say that nowhere in there did Chief Justice Hughes say that Marie Elg was a natural born citizen. He noted that she became a citizen at birth by virtue of being born in the U.S. and that she did not lose her citizenship when her mother returned to her native Sweden with her daughter. Likewise, the Ark decision does not make a distinction between native born or natural-born or citizen at birth or citizen by birth but indicates that they are one and the same.
My question is why there was never a thread on this before the election. As far as I recall, the first claims relating to this were made in December. It seems to me there should have been a huge thread if it was so obvious somewhere in AUgust or September trying to disqualify Obama. Yet all the threads were claiming Kenyan birth, and trying to find the Birth Certificate.
It was no secret that Obama's father was not a citizen and that he had dual citizenship at birth. He admitted those things in his autobiographies.
Even though those facts were well-known, in the run-up to the election or thereafter, no one raised any issue about his eligibility to be President-- not one of his primary opponents, not one of the Republican primary candidates, not John McCain or Sarah Palin in the general election, not one member of the electoral college, not Vice President Cheney when he certified the electoral vote count, not one member of Congress from either party (who could have objected to the certification), not one law professor at any law school, no one. To expect any court to now set aside an election on that ground is just dreaming.
This has nothing to do with fear of riots; it's because the political process has decided, by virtually unanimous consensus, that birth in the U.S.makes Obama a Natural Born Citizen.
Things will be very different if it is ever proven that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (not that I expect that to be proven, but no one knows). But the noncitizen father issue is dead. Leave it alone.
I should have added, not one member of the Supreme Court when Obama visited them before the inauguration, and not Chief Justice Roberts when he swore Obama in.
As it was explained to me at the time, Roberts knew that it was illegal to swear in a man who was ineligible, so he purposefully tried to mangle the oath. Only later did Obama force him into re-administering the oath at the White House.
If Obama’s father was a Kenyan then how could Hussein be eligible to be POTUS?
That is the question that needs to be decided by the USSC, not me not the rest of the world of “legal eagles”. While they are at it the USSC should decide on the 14th amendment “subject to the jurisdiction” to eliminate the current loophole for anchor babies. With lower courts denying standing to plaintiffs, the case will never be heard on its merits, a travesty of Justice. A serious miscalculation and evasion of responsibility by the courts.
It is ludicrous to believe that a person born (in the usa)to two illegal foreign immigrants is eligible to be President of the US. It is also ludicrous to believe a foundling of unknown parentage is eligible to be President of the US, but that is more believable than a child born to two illegals with ties to foreign countires. .
We have tried the soap box and the jury box and have not yet received justice. The next question is at what point will radicals take to the ammo box to have their grievances heard? I suggest the court system take note of the great public discontent with not getting their questions answered in the prescribed manner. It is TYRANNY when a voter is not allowed to challenge a candidate/officials eligibility.
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