"Gee, granny, it costs so much to take care of your medical problems and won't do much good for you. Too bad it will burden the taxpayers so much and maybe increase taxes to care for your old carcass. Now which option will you choose?"
How else would you describe the panel (or set of politically-appointed bureaucrats) OTHER THAN a "death panel"? Form follows function - they will have NO objectivity and will advocate the cost-savings position of a quicker path to 'end of life' for their definition of the greater good.
Do you believe “death panels” are part of the proposed health care reforms?
Yes 23% 27147
No 64% 75407
Don’t know 13% 15109
Total Votes: 117663
Done - needs more help! 23% yes - 64% - no.
They'll still be genocidal, murderous, traitorous jerks from hell . . . but at least we'll have stood up for right, life and the truth.
Do you believe “death panels” are part of the proposed health care reforms?
Yes 23% 27147
No 64% 75407
Don’t know 13% 15109
Total Votes: 117663
This is not a scientific poll
From DRUDGE
‘End-of-life’ provision to be dropped from bill...
NYT: ‘Stubborn and false rumor that Obama’s health care plan will create ‘death panels’’...
How nuts is this...?
You cannot take something “out” that was never “in”.
CNN is so stupid. Either the death panel clauses were in the bill or they weren’t. To have a poll on what people believe is completely irrelevant in this instance.
Here’s an idea for the idiots at CNN: Read the bill and report the truth! Lazy 0bama-fellating MFers.
Read
“By Trust Betrayed:Patients, Physicians and the License to Kill in the Third Reich” Hugh Gallagher, 1995..(Mr Gallagher was a polio paretic)
We are approaching the financial imperative similar to what created Nazi Germany out of the ashes of the Weimar Republic’s financial disasters....the picture then was so ugly..the average German refused to believe the intent and content of their leadership..their “intentions” were so good for the Nation.
Do you believe “death panels” are part of the proposed health care reforms?
Yes 23% 31098
No 64% 85909
Don’t know 13% 17149
Total Votes: 134156
If they weren’t in there, what did the Senate take out?
Of course they were - not by name, but by practical outcome. The bill DOES describe cessation of nutrition & hydration as options to be discussed - options which no sane person would opt for, and thus could ONLY be opted for by others (the “panel”) either imposing their will or persuading the patient to that end.
Z. Emanuel wrote of such decisions to limit end-of-life treatments as part of his treatise on the subject.
The reality of the term may be more nuanced than the soundbite version, but the axiom is still there - others impose their will upon doctor & patient.
The news we kept to ourselves
Eason Jordan, CNN Chief News Executive
On April 11, 2003, Jordan revealed that CNN knew about human rights abuses committed in Iraq by Saddam Hussein since 1990 and provided gifts to Saddam's family in a New York Times story called The News We Kept to Ourselves[1] Jordan claimed that reporting Saddam's crimes against humanity would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqi informants, and confidentiality was ensured to protect the lives of anti-Hussein Iraqi activists and translators. Critics point out that the suppression of such news carries an aura of a tit-for-tat mentality, as CNN enjoyed a very unique and close relationship with the Iraqi government.
In November 2004 at the News Xchange conference in Portugal, Jordan claimed that United States armed forces were arresting and torturing non-coalition Arabic journalists in Iraq. He offered no proof of this claim.
On January 27, 2005, during the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, Jordan was reported to have said that American troops were targeting journalists. Although there is no transcript of Jordan's statement, Barney Frank claimed Jordan seemed to be suggesting "it was official military policy to take out journalists", and later added that some U.S. soldiers targeted reporters "maybe knowing they were killing journalists, out of anger".[1]
He was portrayed by the actor Clark Gregg in "Live From Baghdad" (2002), a film about the team of CNN journalists who covered the first Gulf War. As CNN was the only news organization broadcasting live first hand reports of the war, this is widely considered the event that "put CNN on the map".
(Wikipedia exerpts)
A lot of ignorant people voting on CNN
Yes 23% 43721
No 64% 122258
Don’t know 13% 23913
Some really have their “lights” turned off.
It makes me laugh that some places are still calling them a myth even though the Senate says they removed them from their bill. If they aren’t already in and true how can they be removed if they are a myth?
I expect nothing less from CNN.