Posted on 08/13/2009 12:07:59 PM PDT by P.O.E.
Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible's satanic agents of the Apocalypse.
Honest. This isn't a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God.
Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their "common faith" (Christianity) and told him:
"Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. ... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. ... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins."
This bizarre -- seemingly deranged -- episode happened while the White House was assembling its "coalition of the willing" to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush's call, and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs."
(Excerpt) Read more at wvgazette.com ...
That is hard to believe. Does this refer to the same man that signed over authority to the WHO to quarantine America in the event of a pandemic? Could they be possibly be referring to the same man that signed executive orders creating the most invasive Homeland Security directives including martial law with unlimited presidential authority and no congressional oversight then handed all of it over to a communist? I know that they are not talking about the man that built the North American Union using a shadow government with no congressional oversight (other than Tom Tancredo)against the will of the American people. How about the man that had a financial terrorist attack happen on his watch on September 12, 2008 that precipitated the collapse of our(and the world’s) economy? Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
That would be a defensible take on such prophecies from a Catholic point of view.
You said — It’s too bad Bush didn’t insist on having you as a member of his National Security Council.
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Well, he didn’t have to have me, as long as there were other Bible-believing Christians who did have access to him and did give him the information about these things that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob speaks about. That’s the important thing — namely not me being there, but that President Bush be advised by those who do know what God says about these things, and for President Bush to act out of care and consideration of what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob says.
Also, when I read the following...
Recently, GQ magazine revealed that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld attached warlike Bible verses and Iraq battle photos to war reports he hand-delivered to Bush. One declared: “Put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground.”
I’m glad to hear those things, also. That means that there are still people who do hold high government office and positions who do believe what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob says to us and all the world...
Boche (derogatory)
Term used in World War I, often collectively (”the Boche” meaning “the Germans”). From French slang alboche, from Allemand (”German”) and caboche (”head” or “cabbage”). Also spelled “Bosch” or “Bosche”.
You misunderstand. I’m not questioning his Biblical beliefs or what others have told him about Biblical teaching, or the affect such teaching had on him. I’m remaining skeptical about his using that in conversations with world leaders pertaining to government policy. One may well embrace such teaching, consider it in forming foreign or domestic policy, but not project it in policy discussions. Perhaps Bush did. I’m still skeptical...
A lot of suppositions. It tells me little about what was on Pres. Bush’s mind. However, I do trust him and miss him a lot, even though he got things wrong. I always trusted his character.
Amazing how the left needs to bash Bush (makes a convenient distraction from health care, I suppose)
Bush bashing is a distraction from an the self hating, self destructive, mean spirited selves.
Chirac is probably suffering from demetia atleast that was one of the things that were said about him in his last losing campaign.
Possibly, or elsewhere.
The things said about Bush boggle a normal mind; libs don't seem to have a problem with it.
vaudine
“I don’t believe this for a second. I don’t even believe that Chirac said it. I think some writer is just making stuff up.”
I remember the allegation and don’t think it was ever attributed to Chirac. I seem to remember that it was claimed to have been from an “intercepted” communication and you are probably right.... some writer was just making it up.
"Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. ... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. ... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." ....The French revelation jibes with other known aspects of Bush's renowned evangelical certitude. For example, a few months after his phone call to Chirac, Bush attended a 2003 summit in Egypt. The Palestinian foreign minister later said the American president told him he was "on a mission from God" to defeat Iraq. At that time, the White House called this claim "absurd."
Recently, GQ magazine revealed that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld attached warlike Bible verses and Iraq battle photos to war reports he hand-delivered to Bush. One declared: "Put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground."
Knowing the Lindsay take on Gog/Magog from years of immersion in it, I can tell you that the above is not it. They would no more say that we "erase his enemies before a new age begins", than they'd say that "we save our brothers by feeding them Big Macs."
Bush is an episcopal turned methodist: this really sounds like Wesley's post-millenialism. WE are building/preparing God's Kingdom here on earth.
We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with his purpose. Yet his purpose is achieved in our duty, and our duty is fulfilled in service to one another.Never tiring, never yielding, never finishing, we renew that purpose today, to make our country more just and generous, to affirm the dignity of our lives and every life.
This work continues. This story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.
The above, from Pres Bush's 1st inaugural address quotes John Page about the angel riding the whirlwind, but it is an acknowledgement that God writes history.
I'm tempted to believe to a large degree that the Gog/Magog reference is true, but that it's meaning is lost if viewed through a dispensationalist lens. Bush, I'm betting, was a 3-4 point calvinist, post-millenialist.
I’ll believe this as soon as Bush confirms it.
My bet ...it did not happen
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Well..., vaudine, you were saying — The things said about Bush boggle a normal mind; libs don’t seem to have a problem with it.
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It doesn’t boggle the mind for a Christian who knows that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob means what He says in the Bible.
Also, out of consideration of the fact that I know of two Christian sources who have said that they had tried to let President Bush know about the prophecies concerning Israel and the surrounding nations for these end times — that lets me know that there were people trying to “reach” President Bush about these things.
Prior to this particular article, I already knew that people had been trying to reach President Bush about these things, but I didn’t know if Bush really *understood* what these people were trying to tell him about the Bible. It appears, now, that Bush has some understanding of the circumstances, which is good...
I've read a number of girls' books written about the time of WW I, and "Huns" was a pretty normal usage for Germans during the war. Eisenhauer probably grew up with it.
Nope.
Neither was Reagan.
I met a fellow face to face who prayed with W repeatedly.
As I understand it . . . he was evidently more conventional Pentecostal/Charismatic in his theology and practices than the track you articulated.
That would include Dispensationalism . . . Reagan’s bent, too.
I'm confused, aren't these pretty standard fare things to say for the past half century or so? Seems to be the common thread from Freemasons to Ivy League schools, i.e. the brotherhood of man, etc... Been hearing various groups and individuals say some version of this since as far back as I recall.
Of course it's rediculous and provably false, but it's the popular notion for how we "can all just get along"
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