Posted on 08/05/2009 7:57:45 PM PDT by Chode
This will be a general purpose thread for F1 news and pings that really don't require a thread of their own.
She’s clearly interested in the bulge in his pants.
Which would be his wallet of course.
100%
And yet Force India will still finish higher than McLaren.......
...hmmm
Indian officials want their cut......
that’s right, pour salt into my wounds... /s
right?
...taking billions right
greed knows no bounds
I also am sad about McLaren, but what a joke the Honda engine has become! We need a strong McLaren to make F1 interesting.
100% at this point i’d like to see them develop their own
They looked into their own engine and ruled that out. Have also been talking to Mercedes.
Thanks for the link. Great documentary.
i read that too, but when all else fails... not like they don’t have the $$$$$
yes it is... check out the video in 2308 too, good stuff
We are not talking dollars for a competitive F1 engine, we are talking DOLLARS. Think hundreds of million dollars. That’s why you need a major auto MFG.
well, IlMore did it and won in Indy and F1 before they sold to Mercedes, but i guess things were cheaper then
Remember that Red Bull explored making their own engine with Mario Illien of Ilmor fame. Then they had Mario Illien work with Renault Sport to improve their engine.
Renault is still behind on output compared to Mercedes. Ferrari just now is equal to Mercedes in race output. It appears that Mercedes still has a special qualifying output mode.
So even major car companies have difficulty developing a competitive hybrid turbo engine package.
I think most F1 fans would agree it's best to have some common parts which would allow private companies such as Ilmor to produce a competitive F1 power unit. This would help lower the cost of racing in F1 and bring more teams.
i’m all for having a third party as engine mfg, and i’d love to see IlMor start selling engines to the privateers
April 20, 2017 by Joe Saward
If Red Bull’s engine strategy for the future is to campaign for an independent engine supplier, the company is in more trouble in F1 than I thought. In its current situation, Red Bull Racing ought to be out there, doing whatever is necessary to get a manufacturer deal. If that is not possible, then they ought to be paying someone to build them an engine, as TAG did with Porsche back in days of yore. If you want to win races in the modern world of Formula 1, you need to have a factory engine. If you want evidence of this, it is very clear. Ferrari customer teams have won only one race in the modern era (since 1980). That was Sebastian Vettel’s win at Monza in 2008 with Toro Rosso. Mercedes customers have yet to win a race since the start of the new formula in 2014. Independent customer engines would seem to be a thing of the past. One can bring back the idea, but how does one make them competitive with the factory motors that are being developed all the time? That did happen in the 1970s, when Cosworth engines battled with Ferraris and Matras, but after the arrival of the turbocharged engines of the 1980s, Cosworth faded away as a force in F1. There were some other customer engine arrangements, such as the Megatrons, Playlifes, Supertecs, Mecachromes, Asiatechs and Acers, but these were all rebadged manufacturer engines rather than proper independent engine suppliers – and none of them won a race.
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