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I thought she was a PUMA. But Cougars are nice too!
Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
“Ms. Okubo–
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”
BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
Because she disagrees with and is suspicious of a lawyer? I've been married 39 years and I disagree with HIM. Sometimes. ;-)
“And several of us freepers have worked ot gether on this.
Thank you for working ot gether.”
Never were more RTUE words spoken.
He is Taitz’s main litigant.
He is no slouch.
Thank you. We ARE on to something. As soon as this Orly thing is out of court, I will try again with my open records request.
D*MN HER, she had to have known UIPA was an avenue all along.
“No, she is genuinely looking for answers and trying to do it through offical channels.
Fukino and Okuba are flat out lying. Its obvious in what they do and don’t way when you are conversant with Hawaiian llaw.
I know Hawaii, and Obama is a gangster. These to laides are likely well aware of the stakes in a visceral manner the rest of us have no clue about.
I do NOT envy Fukino or Okuba. MissTickley is a genuine Cougar and a Hillary Supporter who is reaching across the isle in a good faith effort. You guys know me, know that I will stick up for myself and will admit I am wrong even when it makes me look like even more of an Idiot than I am!
Give MissTickley a fair hearing. She does deserve it!
D”
Give her a hearing.... I have found her to be genuine. Ultimately she is concerned with the direction the country is headed in and that makes her one of us.
What is the date you expect a reply to your UIPA Information Request? Maybe you should post a link to that request on this thread.
Ok, just getting it ready in case we need it.
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I thought she was a PUMA. But Cougars are nice too!
I bet that hurt.
Did you know that referring to oneself in the third person is a sign of megalomania?
tumblindice knows these things. Yes he does.
My Precious.
THERE, will you consider my argument now???
“what I know?”
and we still want to “know”,
“Who are you?”
hello?
THIS IS THE PRESS RELEASE SHE SENT ME:
Give MissTickley a fair hearing. She does deserve it!
So why is it that when you get the chance you attack Polarik's credibility? He's one of us, but I haven't seen you give him a "fair hearing."
It may be difficult to find someone else brave enough to rent their space.
Bump that!
So.... as a recap, he was most likely adopted by Lolo, making him naturalized, thus ineligible. The Original BC would then be Sealed.
Can you / did you ask if the Original is Sealed?
LOL. Anyone who takes Keyes seriously is not himself worth taking seriously. Good day.
“Take it for what you will.”
Thanks..I will. You offer no verification that you have spoken to Orly..nor have you offered any proof that she recieved your email. I am sure she gets thousand of emails everyday. I have not read the opus that you sent out in FReepmail yesterday and don’t plan to unless you post it on your FR ‘about’ page. I have done a little background check on ‘Miss Tickly’s ‘around the left wing blogs and at this point, I question your motives here more.
I will agree that this latest move by Orly leaves much to be desired(the way she came out with the BC before she did her homework and I said it from the beginning). But to take the leap that she works for Obama is a stretch without solid proof.
Oh please don’t let this descend into a war of personalities. We’ll lose if we do.
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