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Florida Quarterback Tebow Leaves Reporters Speechless: "Yes I am" Saving Myself for Marriage
LifeSite ^ | July 30, 2009 | John Jalsevac

Posted on 07/31/2009 10:40:52 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Dr. Sivana
How long does it take to "uplift and civilize" someone up to MTV standards?

That made me smile, although it shouldn't - it's pretty sobering. I just finished a book that has a much more dramatic title than the content actually bears out, called From 9/11 to 666 by Ralph W. Stice. Although I didn't know it when I bought the book, turns out he was a C&MA missionary to Guinea and then to France for a few years, now he's a teacher at Nyack in DC.

Anyway, in it he gives the most thought-provoking Christian-based exposition on the Muslim-Arab mentality, culture and their perspective on the West that I have ever read. He expounds on stuff that I had already heard from visiting missionaries in recent years - that Muslim Arabs basically look at the West through a Hollywood lens. They think (my paraphrase) based on imported media and commerce (and they get plenty of it) that our women are all sluts, our families are godless, our govt is arrogant and colonialist, and the country as a whole is decadent, sinful and wasteful. He says they usually have no concept whatsoever of hardworking, churchgoing middle America, and their view of Christianity is mostly predisposed by such negative media stereotypes.

He in no way excuses their behavior and attitudes, calling out the idealogy of Islam for what it is, but says basically that our state dept has no clue what the average Muslim thinks about America and why. He says they are talking to the wrong people and it will bite us badly one day. It was a real eye-opener, even for someone like me who considers herself pretty familiar with related material.

Don't get me wrong, we live in the greatest country in the world and I believe that our origins were of divine design and inspiration, but it makes me cringe to imagine that a good chunk of the world looks at Paris Hilton and sees average America.

Oh and he also takes international (mostly European) media to task, for consistently painting America and Israel with the same negative bias, totally feeding the "US = Great Satan, Israel = Little Satan" mentality in the Arab world.

121 posted on 07/31/2009 5:13:41 PM PDT by agrace
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To: ansel12
Democrat politicians gave us abortion,

A mixture of Supreme Court Justices gave us abortion. It wasn't until Reagan that the Republicans were particularly pro-life. Goldwater wasn't. Harry Blackmun, who wrote Roe, was a Nixon appointee. The dissent included one Republican (Rehnquist) and one Democrat (Byron White). Republican Nelson Rockefeller was aggressively pro-abort, even vetoing a bill to tighten up abortion regulations after New York became an abortion Mecca before Roe.

When real Catholics (not the Ted Kennedy types) had more influence in the Democrat party, it was tax and spend, but it was not unpatriotic, and it was not pro-abort. The book "Why the Democrats Are Blue" chronicles the takeover of the Dem party by the hippies pretty well.

As far as "pro-abort Catholics" are concerned, those polls refer to self-described Catholics. Any Catholic who successfully procures or assists in the procuration of an abortion is automatically excommunicated under Canon Law. I believe this would include anyone who helps enact legislation that pays for abortions. (Pelosi, Kennedy, Mikulski, Cuomo, etc.)

I have certainly voted for many a pro-life Protestant over a Pro-abort (excommunicated) Catholic. If you look back a year, I was supporting Huckabee and Thompson against that horrible embarrassment, Giuliani.
122 posted on 07/31/2009 5:19:50 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

What gave us abortion and drove America to the left was democrats, move the country a few notches to the right for the last hundred years and the goals of the left would not have been realized. The more liberals we have then the more they shape the nation, including shaping the limits of conservatism.

Democrats gave us abortion, Out of the last 19 elections Catholics have voted against the republicans 14 times.


123 posted on 07/31/2009 6:01:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: NYer
It wasn't the only controversial remark that Tebow made that day.

Controversial? Saving yourself for marriage would seem to me to be a personal thing and nothing controversial about it. Whose going to confront him over it, some girl who wants to get laid by him? Come on, these idiots are way beyond stupid.

124 posted on 07/31/2009 6:11:32 PM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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To: ansel12; BlackElk
What gave us abortion and drove America to the left was democrats,

It would have been more accurate to say that liberals gave us abortion. The right/left divide was much different over much of the last 80 years. (I am pinging BlackElk as he was a Reagan state chairman and a worthy authority to cite.)

Nixon, Goldwater and Ford turned out to all be pro-abort. If you go farther back (Ike, Wilke, Landon, Hoover) the issue isn't really in play. But Landon's daughter, Nancy Kassebaum, a Republican, was also pro-abort.

That means until Reagan, and the "Reagan Democrats," who were largely Catholic (while many, of course were old line Democrat non-Catholic southerners), the Republicans had been a party for blue blood pro-aborts. Until the rules change for the Dems in the 1968 convention, and later George McGovern who oversaw and took advantage of them, the Democrats weren't identifiably pro-abort.

Margaret Sanger herself was both a Socialist and a registered Republican.

It would take a much longer post than I could possibly compose here to describe what happened. If any large, identifiable voting bloc had switched sides, the character of the parties themselves would have changed. I am a Catholic, and of course, a conservative. The Republican Party has not always been conservative. Even now, the Christine Todd Whitmans of the world are trying to kill the soul of the party.
125 posted on 07/31/2009 6:32:43 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Voting democrat gave the left the infrastructure to support whatever the new liberal issues became.

Before voters were voting for or against abortion the Catholic voters had helped put into place the system that would accept it and the judges that would decide it.

Even by 1980 Reagan still lost the Catholic vote getting less than 50% of it.


126 posted on 07/31/2009 6:48:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Dr. Sivana

A little jealous are you? Maybe he is picking up where the Catholics left off (40 years ago). BTW, his father goes to non-Catholic countries too.


127 posted on 07/31/2009 7:02:29 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: RoadTest

Maybe because he wants you to see how a thriving sect of Christianity does it?


128 posted on 07/31/2009 7:04:35 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ansel12
Voting democrat gave the left the infrastructure to support whatever the new liberal issues became.

Southern Protestants (who were mostly conservative)would be just as responsible, as they were allergic to voting Republican at all until McGovern.

More Catholics (which includes nominal Catholics) voted for Reagan in 1980 than any other candidate. John B. Anderson, who represented liberal Republicanism, received 7% overall.

And again, all of these numbers include nominal Catholics.

I think we can agree the failure of non-relativistic (Truth is fixed, and Christ is Truth) Christians, both Catholic and Protestant, to let their Faith inform their vote is a large part of the reason we are in a pickle today. I mean my tagline. We are probably past a political solution, barring a miracle, and that is for God to determine.
129 posted on 07/31/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

The thing is the Protestant vote, you seem upset that Americans might look forward to some positive effects of backwards countries becoming more Protestant Christian.

It would be benficial to the countries and to the American people.

Protestant missionaries should work in all countries, hopefully some of the Hispanic Protestants that vote republican will do missionary work in Mexico.

The Hispanic Protestant voters (32% of the total here) gave the republicans 44% in 2000, 56% in 2004 and 48% of their vote in 2008.

Catholic Hispanics voted 33% republican in 2000, 33% in 2004, in 2008 it was far less.


130 posted on 07/31/2009 7:33:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

In 2008 republicans got 22% of the Hispanic Catholic vote.


131 posted on 07/31/2009 7:39:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Dr. Sivana
(I am pinging BlackElk as he was a Reagan state chairman and a worthy authority to cite.)

I thought that was odd (I couldn't understand the relevance) and then I noticed that he is a Catholic.

132 posted on 07/31/2009 7:55:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ilgipper
If I was in that guy’s shoes, I would be taking full advantage of co-eds nationwide.

And by doing so, you probably would've sired at least a few children, and maybe even have picked up a STD or two along the way!

133 posted on 07/31/2009 7:59:14 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: FightThePower!
How silly, this guy should be shagging as many coeds as possible.

I think Tim can get along just fine without taking any of your senseless sophomoric advice.

134 posted on 07/31/2009 8:06:59 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: netmilsmom

I’m raising my two sons right!

That said...I think the question asked of Mr. Tebow is vulgar and inappropriate. I’m proud of his response but really...


135 posted on 07/31/2009 9:30:45 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: agrace
Some countries are locked down tight - it‘s estimated that some 60 countries are closed to missions, and plenty more make it very difficult.

But many of these "closed" countries send their best and brightest young people to American universities. Show an interest in their language, and you have a superhighway into their hearts. Welcome them into your home, let them see and feel the warmth of Christian family life, and their perceptions of Christianity will be permanently changed.

This is a perfect home school project, BTW. You can challenge your bouncy offspring to wrap their brains around a very different kind of language. They participate in evangelism by praying for known and named Muslim friends over the dinner table, and by helping with the hospitality.

136 posted on 08/01/2009 12:17:20 AM PDT by RJR_fan (The day a marxist becomes president, is the day that pigs will fly. Well, Swine Flu!)
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To: cspackler

I can assure you those aren’t real. You can see where the implants start & stop. That’s not a very professional looking boob job.


137 posted on 08/01/2009 12:22:40 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Dr. Sivana

“why is it that Protestant Missionaries are constantly going to countries that are predominantly Catholic, rather than to the countries in Africa”

You must not know many Protestant Missionaries. They go to every country including Africa.

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/competing_for_a_cause/

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/


138 posted on 08/01/2009 12:32:03 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: NYer

This is cool! The shocking thing is that this is shocking.


139 posted on 08/01/2009 1:20:03 AM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: kcvl
You must not know many Protestant Missionaries. They go to every country including Africa.

I did not mean to imply that there aren't some in these other countries. I simply stated that they are "constantly going to countries that are predominantly Catholic." I have known a decent number over the years, and am certainly on enough mailing lists that lead to solicitation for financial assistance for such causes.
140 posted on 08/01/2009 4:18:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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