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1 posted on 07/29/2009 2:11:03 PM PDT by mainestategop
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792327402265913.html

http://www.amityshlaes.com/


2 posted on 07/29/2009 2:15:38 PM PDT by TBBBO
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Read Amity Schleas “The Forgotten Man”

Also, I haven’t read this book, but the author gives a review of it
http://radio.nationalreview.com/betweenthecovers/post/?q=ZGQ5MTZkMzUxNjNiNDUyOWJmZWQxMjBkNmE2OWM4MGU=

Finally - go to mises.org and search “New Deal.” One of the Austrian school’s biggest targets is the New Deal


3 posted on 07/29/2009 2:17:50 PM PDT by PGR88
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Read Amity Schleas book


5 posted on 07/29/2009 2:24:56 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Five Myths About the Great Depression
6 posted on 07/29/2009 2:27:49 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=515

http://mises.org/story/1623

http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=347


7 posted on 07/29/2009 2:28:29 PM PDT by camp_steveo
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Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg (now in paperback)
The Forgotten Man, by Amity Schlaes
8 posted on 07/29/2009 2:29:51 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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I would recommend turning off comments on youtube videos if you post it. That’s like piping in raw sewage into your living room.


9 posted on 07/29/2009 2:38:10 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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Sometimes it is useful to see what the liberals thought about during the Great Depression. Eric Severeid’s “Not So Wild A Dream (1946)” was an eye opener for me. Wild Dreams indeed.


11 posted on 07/29/2009 2:43:22 PM PDT by gartrell bibberts (Sadly, liberals are often well educated but ignorant of history,.economics and civics.)
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FDR’s New Deal didn’t bring an end to anything. WWII ended the Great Depression in America. Quickie chart on three key economic numbers during the Great Depression:

Year * Unemployment Rate * Top Tax Rate * Annual GDP

1930..... 8.7... 25%... $97.4 (billions)
1931... 15.9... 25%... $83.8
1932... 23.6... 63%... $67.6
1933... 24.9... 63%... $57.6
1934... 21.7... 63%... $61.2
1935... 20.1... 63%... $69.6
1936... 16.9... 79%... $78.5
1937... 14.3... 79%... $87.8
1938... 19.0... 79%... $89.0
1939... 17.2... 79%... $89.1
1940... 14.6... 81%... $96.8
1941..... 9.9... 81%... $114.1
1942..... 4.7... 88%... $144.3

Reach you own conclusions.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 2:46:05 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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You were not present at our dinner table when I was a kid, so you did not hear the nightly speeches from our father about “The Great White Father” and his elimination of...

- individual effort
- restraint on government legally and in re spending
- the effect on small businesspeople
- the savaging of future values of currency by the unfunded mandate of Social Security that was not being held for ‘retirement’
- states rights
- individual rights
- government sovereignty in favor of ‘the 500’ (people who actually ruled the world)

Every night. Every single night, except for those times he left for work at 7 am and got home after 11 pm...for a 2.5% profit, worked for himself and bet the farm more than twice (and lost once). And guess what. He grew up as a democrat—but didn’t stay that way after the Great Depression I. It is only in the last few years that I have come to appreciate the desperation for hard work which accompanied him, my mother and all of us kids who worked our tails off from very young ages.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 2:48:15 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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I have the perfect recent book on economic and political history for you to purchase. It is called New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America (Hardcover) by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. of Hillsdale. It is great and full of great citations, footnotes and actual quotations of FDR officials as to how their policies made no improvements in desperate conditions and were mainly political vote buying.

It is a great read.

15 posted on 07/29/2009 2:48:55 PM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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I would start by describing events they are unfamiliar with, to establish how the US economy functioned before “Ol’ Frank”. This is important, because Roosevelt was convinced that only radical and untested new ideas had to be used to replace centuries of free enterprise that existed before.

For this reason, have at least some familiarity with the Panic of 1837 and the Panic of 1893, which almost led to the bankruptcy of the federal government. Both of these will make telling points later.

Herbert Hoover’s actions were based on the very best economic theory of the time, with some mistakes, granted, but in a normal time would have restored the US economy. However, the Democrat congress went out of its way to thwart his efforts, seeking political gain from the national misery.

With Roosevelt’s ascension, the first theories he tried were those that were seemingly popular in Europe. These were the economics of fascism, and while experimental, seemed to offer the fastest route to economic recovery, while avoiding the horrific mistakes of socialist-communism in Russia.

That is, the nationalization of industry, business, agriculture, education, and ought else had been tried by Lenin and shown themselves to be such miserable failures that Lenin disavowed them and created the New Economic Plan, which was to some extent capitalism reborn. But the Lenin died, and Stalin went back to doing what had already been proven didn’t work.

The irony of Europe was that, especially in Germany, the economy was already in recovery before the rise of Hitler, to a great extent because of the help and advice from the US. Hitler, of course, took credit for it, and the international assumption was that fascist economics was responsible.

The fascist “public-private partnership” was first tried in the US, to tepid result, because inexperienced bureaucrats knew little of how the industries the were supposed to “help”, functioned. And after the Nazis became obnoxious, these ideas tended to whither.

So Roosevelt’s next concept was the creation of an “easy credit” economy, in which the economy was inflated with the use of marginal credit, instead of fully collateralized credit. This was applied across the board, first to government, and the needs of the war, but then to the economy as a whole.

At the time, they did not foresee that this ever expanding outward spiral of debt would eventually consume our entire economy, and it took many years to do so, but now the experiment has finally reached its conclusion.

There is some truth that the Roosevelt economic experiment allowed the US to grow much faster than it would have otherwise, but this was not due to government action, but government inaction, allowing sensible economic rules to be broken for short term gains.

So now we face a situation of economic collapse even greater in some ways than the Great Depression. The US government will have to shrink at least by half. The national debt will likely have to be defaulted (see 1837). The great government largesse programs of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and fantasies about a national health care system, are all over. And even the “Pax Americana”, of a gigantic, all powerful military, will have to be substantially scaled down.

So the vision that Frank Roosevelt had, for a nation managed by a federal government intrusive enough to do so, at the expense to the modest authority given it by the constitution, is over.

We must now return to the economic model that existed before Frank Roosevelt, and for centuries before him. Or else our government faces bankruptcy (see 1893).


17 posted on 07/29/2009 2:52:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The Roosevelt Myth
19 posted on 07/29/2009 3:17:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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bump for later reference


24 posted on 07/29/2009 4:18:41 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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“New Deal or Raw Deal? How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America” by Burton Folsom, Jr., New York: Threshold Editions/Simon & Shuster, 2008

And, the book that you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY MUST READ to discover how FDR’s policies made a mild depression into a Great Depression:

“The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression” by Amity Shlaes, New York: HarperCollins, 2007.

Cheers


25 posted on 07/29/2009 4:56:23 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog
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