Some scientists affirm early Native presence [ Americas, 33K before present ]

Indian Country Today ^ | Tuesday, June 16, 2009 | Carol Berry

[SunkenCiv]

[Photo courtesy Denver Museum of Nature and Science] A mammoth femur from Nebraska that is believed to have been broken by a hammerstone blow to mid-shaft. Steven R. Holen, curator of archaeology at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, said it is possible to tell that the bone was broken while it was still fresh because of the spiral breakage pattern.

[SunkenCiv]

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[pnh102]

Were those Native Americans killed by and robbed of their land by the ones who came over the Ice Age-era land bridge that existed between Alaska and Russkieland? :)

[xcamel]

It is the oldest Algonkin (Algonquin) verbal history story.

[La Lydia]

The Sorenson Molecular Geneaolgy Foundation published a study last year of Native American mtDNA sequences, which they traced to a single genetic tree with branches dated. Their results indicate that almost all modern Native Americans descended from six ancestral founding mothers. They used the built-in molecular clock of DNA to establish the time the first humans moved into the Western Hemisphere, finding a narrow window between 15-17,000 years ago.

And I always enjoy referring readers of these posts to David Macaulay's Motel of the Mysteries, in which future archaeologists excavate a 20th century motel and interpret what they find there. The bathroom was the inner sanctum of a religious structure and the toilet seat was a ceremonial chest-piece.

[JoeProBono]

[Ptarmigan]

In all probabilities yes.

[Ptarmigan]

It debunks the Bering Strait theory, which we were all taught in school.

[SunkenCiv]

GIGO.

[Popman]

It is the year 4022; all of the ancient country of Usa has been buried under many feet of detritus from a catastrophe that occurred back in 1985. Imagine, then, the excitement that Howard Carson, an amateur archeologist at best, experienced when in crossing the perimeter of an abandoned excavation site he felt the ground give way beneath him and found himself at the bottom of a shaft, which, judging from the DO NOT DISTURB sign hanging from an archaic doorknob, was clearly the entrance to a still-sealed burial chamber. Carson's incredible discoveries, including the remains of two bodies, one of then on a ceremonial bed facing an altar that appeared to be a means of communicating with the Gods and the other lying in a porcelain sarcophagus in the Inner Chamber, permitted him to piece together the whole fabric of that extraordinary civilization.

Every time I see an documentary on some ancient civilization and they are making some outlandishness claim based on a piece of pottery or an inscription that probably says something to the effect of "Kilroy was Here", I always wonder just how in the heck do they really know what happened here.

[La Lydia]

What does GIGO mean?

[La Lydia]

One of my favorites in the museums is “Religious object of unknown significance.” I always wonder, how do they know. I think I’ll go communicate with the Gods for a while.

[SunkenCiv]

:’) The folks who were here could have still arrived from that direction, and may still have come by land. The problem is Clovis-First-and-Only, which has no basis in fact, and is merely a bias.

[ElkGroveDan]

Native people insist that their ancestors have lived on this continent since time immemorial, and some mainstream scientists are beginning to weigh in on their side.

Just there were people here, doesn't mean they were ancestors of American Indians. The ancestors of today's Indians may have wiped out or assimilated older populations, the way the Europeans did. But of course, if that were true it wouldn't be PC, and it might take away their endless list of grievances in search of various reparations.

[Fred Nerks]

SOURCE LINK

Already throughout the 1960s, Cruxent's reports on his finds at Muaco, the Pedregal Valley and Taima-taima had stirred controversy. The conventional wisdom, especially among North American archaeologists, was that the first South Americans were the result of a very rapid migration from North America, following big game, and a tool tradition highlighted by the use of a projectile point (spear) technology. In North America, the accepted earliest evidence was tied to the Clovis fluted projectile point technology, dated to no earlier than 11,000 years B.P. It was then argued that the earliest migrants to colonize South America would have a Clovis-derived tool technology and that it would have to post-date 11,000 B.P. The initial radiocarbon dates obtained from Taima-taima (and Muaco), however, were several millennia earlier than any accepted dates from Clovis sites in North America...

An El Jobo projectile point rests next to the tibia of an Haplomastodon at Taima-taima.

[tophat9000]

"Since Europeans came to the Americas, they have often been wrong about the Native inhabitants and Western science has not been immune to this problem"

This statement is in itself is loaded with a wrong preconception... the Clovis point itself has open the possibility that the first (Native?) inhabitants of the Americas might of been "Europeans"

[Salamander]

I can go down to the crick and get you more of those than you’d ever want.....:)

[investigateworld]

Uhmmmmm 33,000 years. That about corresponds to Dr. Louis B. Leaky’s estimate from the Calico Early Man dig in the Mojave Desert.

[ZULU]

I don't believe those “molecular clocks” are fool proof. Linguistic evidence tends to indicate a much earlier presence here, among other factors.

[Drammach]

GIGO = "Garbage In, Garbage Out" .

If you want reliable results from an experiment, or interpretation of data, the result will only be as good as the data you enter.