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To: BroJoeK
BJ (Post #2233): Sorry pal, but all you're doing here is "firing blanks" or worse, misfiring "spent cartridges," because NONE of these quotes refer to a right of "unilateral secession," or "unapproved withdrawal from the Union."
Furthermore, any quotes from the period AFTER ratification in 1788 are likely just then-current political statements, and not necessarily the Founders' "original intent."

Post something that complies with your own requirements - hypocrite...

;>)

2,244 posted on 09/20/2009 5:22:50 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Who is John Galt?
"Post something that complies with your own requirements - hypocrite..."

Article I, section 10, clause 1 of the Constitution provides that “No State shall … pass any Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.”

If the US Constitution is not a "Contract," then it is nothing, and I don't believe for a second it's "nothing."

Sorry, pal, but your argument is dead. It's been blown apart by the US Constitution. Now, before we give it a respectful burial, perhaps you'd appreciate a brief post-mortum? Well, here's what you did wrong:

First, you enterred the battle carrying a false flag of "John Galt." Well, I've known "John Galt" for many years, and you're not him. You're not a "John Galt," you're a Johnny Reb, indeed your arguments are nothing but Johnny-one-note, same claims over & over...

Second, you have only one argument, and no matter how many different ways you tried to say it, it all comes down to the same thing:

Since the US Constitution does not expressly forbid secession, Southern declarations of secession in 1860 & '61 were legal, constitutional, and everything which happened afterwards -- seizures of Federal property, firing on Fort Sumter, declaring war on the United States, sending Southern armies into Union states -- all of that is irrelevant to questions about the moral rights & wrongs of the Civil War.

Obviously, both your premise and conclusions are wrong.

Third, having marched into battle under a false flag, with only one round of ammunition, quickly expended, then you tried to replace real fire-power with ever louder "Yeeeee Haaaaaws!"

But after you crossed over the fence at the Emmitsburg Road, you were all alone. By this time your fellow rebs realized the battle was lost, and they were heading home. But you kept coming, out of ammunition, yelling "Yeeeee Haaaaaaaw!" all by yourself.

In the mean time, Union forces are desperately trying to get artillery in place behind the Stone Wall. Just in the nick of time, as Johnny-reb-one-note approaches the wall, screaming his "Yeeeee Haaaaaaw!" the heaviest cannon of all -- the US Constituion -- is finally loaded, aimed and fires:

"Article I, section 10, clause 1 of the Constitution provides that “No State shall … pass any Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts"

So now your argument is just a rotting corpse on the battlefield. How about if we give it a respectful burial, and then go home, pal?

2,245 posted on 09/23/2009 8:14:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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