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Why Is Free Republic Allowing Liberal Trolls To Stay?
May 12 2009 | jveritas

Posted on 05/12/2009 12:07:37 PM PDT by jveritas

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To: b4its2late

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601 posted on 05/13/2009 12:25:25 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Please God Save The United States From The Democrats, and Barack Hussein Obama. Amen.)
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To: Lucky9teen

This is not a blog! :)


602 posted on 05/13/2009 12:28:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I know. ;) The graphic was just so perfect for what jveritas was saying.


603 posted on 05/13/2009 12:31:06 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Revolution Beckons......When is enough, ENOUGH?)
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To: Lucky9teen

I hear you. :)


604 posted on 05/13/2009 12:35:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kevmo; fr_freak; Artemis Webb
In fairness, most of my previous post was in answer to fr_freak. At it's core I believe you and Artemis were arguing about the required level of decorum on threads and my post did address that somewhat. It seems that Free Republic continually has to walk the middle of the road somewhat - not ideologically, but between gravitas and entertainment.

There might be some merit to a conservative quiz on each homepage showing what things a Freeper supports and is most passionate about. But many Freepers wouldn't want to fill one out for reasons that have nothing to do with their ‘conservative credentials’. And people lie.

I would also like to see some way to segregate ‘no horseplay’ threads for those who wish serious debate or organization. However, unless you limit the membership such as on the caucus threads in the religious forum it would be hard to control. Once again, people lie.

Concerning my analogy of perpetual political war, it is as firm as ever. Weak leaders and traitors have always been a part of political and military war. The Union should have defeated the South in less than 12 months. Unfortunately, the North's generals were weak, incompetent and indecisive. The South's were not. We have a bunch of McClellans in charge of the GOP right now. Until we get a few generals like Grant (who won by refusing to yield the field of battle) it will require bold action by junior officers and individuals to hold the lines.

And I always try to read every post by a given individual before replying to them on a thread - I did read yours before I posted to you.

605 posted on 05/13/2009 12:49:01 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications)
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To: Peter Libra
A certain commentator, when asked, told someone on air he liked La Gloria Cubana Churchills. Which happened to be my favorite cigar.

The price trebled, the wait doubled....

Thanks, Rush.

When I light one, though, I still smoke it all...

As for the effects of ethanol on perception, one school would have it that it enhances the ability to see the favorable aspects, while another would say it blinds one to the unfavorable. Of course the issue is rendered moot when the object of study becomes twins...

If I were studying the two mentioned ladies, I must concur that Michelle's assets are substantial and seem to follow her, but I, too would agree were such an issue and given those choices, guarding my good fortune, and with sufficient single malt, that Chelsea would be more suitable to my tastes.

606 posted on 05/13/2009 12:53:50 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Pan_Yan
I think there are plenty of opportunities here for organization and planning. But I don't see how banning people and weeding out the "lazy, apathetic or liberal posters" is going to turn Free Republic into a lean, mean conservative fighting machine.

As I said in my very first post on the subject, the decision needs to be made as to what mission this site wishes to fulfill. Either it is for entertainment, or it is for promoting conservatism. We have a lot of people that post here simply for the entertainment and sense of community, while we have many others here who, undoubtedly in frustration, look to this site to be a means by which they can actually accomplish something. It appears that one side or hte other will dominate and drive the other out. If that is the case, then the site owner has a choice to make.
607 posted on 05/13/2009 12:55:11 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Birch T. Barlow; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; metmom; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; ...
I understand what you are trying to do troll. If you want to pretend Christ was about those things, go ahead. People like you have been around for a long time. The self-professed Christians Mahatma Ghandi was refering to when he said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Unfortunately Ghandi was subjected to people who view Christianity the way you do, not those truly seeking to be Christ-like in action and attitudes.

The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader. Wagglebee has exhibited none of these on this forum. In fact, as soon as he gets a post that may challenge him the first thing he does is ping his list. If Wagglebee is the one you have chosen to follow at his beck and call, look a little higher source for guidance.

Just so we are clear, I DID NOT ping any complete lists, I merely pinged a few FReepers who I know would be interested.

For starters you have NEVER answered the simple question I posed in post #311, Out of curiosity what is it you find "haughty" about morality? While I do not know for certain exactly why you refuse, my assumption is that your sole intent is to hurl invectives at those who do not subscribe to your brand of moral relativism.

So, I thought I would clarify things and explain to you precisely what I believe and why.

I believe that the Ten Commandments and the "Sermon on the Mount" as found in the Gospel of Matthew chapters 5, 6 and 7 tells us exactly how to live our lives. Further, I believe that our Lord's discourse on the sheep and the goats found in the last portion of chapter 25 of Matthew clarifies how we are to treat one another. And while I believe that the acceptance of Christ is necessary for Salvation, I also believe that these Teachings are absolute and valid for Christians and non-Christians alike.

I believe that, through the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, our Founding Fathers gave us a near-perfect form of government and plan for its function. I believe that these were based firmly on Judeo-Christian principles and that abandonment of these principles is the greatest danger our Republic will ever face.

I believe that Ronald Reagan's 1975 CPAC speech, Let Them Go Their Way, provides the clearest blueprint for conservatism and I also believe that the GOP has abandoned nearly all conservative principles. I believe that it is possibly to reform the GOP into the party that Reagan envisioned and formed, but that this is unlikely.

Yes, as everyone knows, I have been in charge of the Moral Absolutes ping list for several years. I believe that just as nature has immutable laws, there are also immutable moral laws. There ARE right and wrongs and they are precise and inflexible as gravity, but for too long the moral relativists have tried to redefine and minimize these and THIS more than anything else is the source of most of society's problems.

I also have been doing the Homosexual Agenda ping list for several years. I believe that homosexuality is unnatural, immoral, sinful and unhealthy. That being said, if two people want to be left alone to live this way, that is their choice, my chief opposition is their insistence that society accept and validate their lifestyle and the force indoctrination of others. This ping list IS NOT as you have previously suggested an "anal" ping lit.

I have been running the Terri Dailies ping list for several months and have been involved with almost since its inception. Nearly all of the threads I post and participate in are pro-life in nature. I believe that life is an absolute right from God and find it quite disturbing that this is even a subject of debate on a conservative forum, yet it is.

Just so we are clear, I have no problem with people who disagree with me. I have been a part of a great many Catholic vs. Protestant theological debates on here and I have pinged a few FReepers who I have had these arguments with. However, I believe they will all agree that I DO NOT carry grudges toward them and I have joined them in support on far more threads than I have opposed them on.

So, if, as you claim, you want to challenge me, then challenge me. Calling me a hypocrite IS NOT a challenge, it is an insult which exposes your own ignorance.

608 posted on 05/13/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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609 posted on 05/13/2009 1:05:33 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Pan_Yan
I think there are plenty of opportunities here for organization and planning. But I don't see how banning people and weeding out the "lazy, apathetic or liberal posters" is going to turn Free Republic into a lean, mean conservative fighting machine.

Agreed!

If someone wants to organize and plan, all they need do is do so.

The rest is an often invigorating exchange of ideas and information.

If you take everything out of the soup that someone doesn't like, you eventually end up with a pot of water.

While I, too tire of the trolls on occasion, especially the ones who seem to post anti-conservative defeatist messages--not ideas, not demands of the GOP, just the "all is lost, woe is me" variety--I have chosen to ignore them.

In the words of John Paul Jones, "I have not yet begun to fight!".

610 posted on 05/13/2009 1:10:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: wagglebee; Birch T. Barlow; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; metmom; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; ...
So, if, as you claim, you want to challenge me, then challenge me. Calling me a hypocrite IS NOT a challenge, it is an insult which exposes your own ignorance.

Naw. Perhaps it's not so much a challenge or an insult as a standard ad-hominum tactic that some progressive types use to avoid having to debate on substantive points. It's just a crude way of misdirecting attention, of "changing the subject." At the same time, this writer is evidently holding himself out as "a better Christian" than you are wagglebee; for he faults you for your lack of Christlike behavior, and gives you a detailed list of what that requires. Then he puts up a strawman argument, suggesting that you are looking to attract "a following." What on earth is going on here? Where is the caritas?

You pinged me wagglebee, but I know I'm not on your "official" ping list. You pinged me because you thought I might be interested in this discussion. And you were right: I am.

611 posted on 05/13/2009 1:14:09 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: wagglebee

Excellent post, wagglebee.


612 posted on 05/13/2009 1:15:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee; Birch T. Barlow; metmom; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife

Don’t think you need to apologise to BTB or anyone else for anything. Moral lines need to be drawn in the sand, and now is the time to draw them.


613 posted on 05/13/2009 1:15:54 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Spock didn't need a teleprompter)
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To: betty boop

Well said, bb.


614 posted on 05/13/2009 1:15:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kevmo
should be easy for mods to do something about them. But it doesn’t happen.

Yeah - looks 'busy' but nothing is happening. There is no base - it's a free for all. It's for entertainment purposes only, unfortunately; and, not for those serious in conservatism. There are some true conservatives here but I see less and less of them. They know what better place for the non conservative to come but here. So to pretend this isn't massive - not just one or two - is deception in play.
615 posted on 05/13/2009 1:16:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: betty boop; trisham

Thank you both for your kind responses.


616 posted on 05/13/2009 1:17:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Birch T. Barlow
Don’t think you need to apologise to BTB

Trust me, that thought never crossed my mind!

617 posted on 05/13/2009 1:18:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; BlackElk

Good verbiage. Not the raucous concatenation of alliterating adjectives we get from BlackElk, but above average for the compound-complex sentence structure.

And now, back to my previous state of inertia.


618 posted on 05/13/2009 1:27:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge."~Pr. 14:7)
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To: fr_freak
It appears that one side or hte other will dominate and drive the other out. If that is the case, then the site owner has a choice to make.

The obvious question is "Why?".

Even the troops have the USO.

If you want a "War Room", why not ask the mods and Jim to set up a forum within the forum, much like Religion or the Smokey Backroom?

I think we have room for Activism and for entertainment.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

619 posted on 05/13/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Tax-chick

I wasn’t asking to be graded!


620 posted on 05/13/2009 1:32:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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