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The new "Star Trek" shows us what we've lost
The Movies | 5/10/09 | Vanity

Posted on 05/10/2009 12:14:38 PM PDT by pabianice

Edited on 05/10/2009 3:43:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Mr Rogers

I went to see it in IMAX today. My brother and I (51 and 52) and three guys I work with (27, 26 and 23)

We all thought it was great fun, and a welcome change. Mind you, I have not gone to a theater in...well, I simply cannot remember. But I enjoyed it immensely.

I know there were probably people walking out of the theater arguing “No way he could have done that, if they (INSERT SCENE FROM MOVIE HERE)...”

It was fluff and entertainment. I want something that is more real, I will watch “Band of Brothers” or something like that. And people will nitpick that.

I though McCoy was perfect...Sulu, was, well...NOT Sulu (THANK GOD) and Spock was well done.

I DO NOT watch television, cannot stomach it, and haven’t watched in years, and am a moviephile (Favorite Movie: “The Best Years of Our Lives”) so does my review help?

Go ahead...it was fun!


101 posted on 05/10/2009 7:25:31 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Custer had a highly successful 15 year career before making a number of mistakes that led to his destruction at LBH.

My point was that some men have been promoted to very high rank at a young age and been quite successful, not that any such man never lost a battle.


102 posted on 05/10/2009 7:37:04 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Well, I don't know what you think of my posts, but I've been around here long enough to claim a few credentials.

A lot of conservatives think I'm beyond it because I quit watching the X-Men series because I believed they turned into an endless series of "coming out of the closet" sequences.

Probably the only thing remotely liberal was the "youth in rebellion" meme attached to Kirk. I saw the movie as being a little disjointed, and relying a little too much on coincidences (particularly ****SPOILER**** select the following to read it!!!!when Spock gets hacked at Kirk and has him shot off the ship and he ends up on a planet about a quarter mile from the Spock that went back in time.) Aside from that, the characterizations are good, and there are quite a few references back to TOS, without the show being a parody of the series.

The show is extremely apolitical. I think this was a conscious decision, as they desperately wanted a successful reboot. Patrick Stewart showed his remarkable sexual prowess by screwing the entire franchise in Nemesis (more suckage than any movie should be allowed to have) and they dumped most of the new age, a woman can be a starship captain, Ferangi (loosely based on the Jewish stereotype) are the EVIL capitalists, etc., etc.

It's fun, it's loud, the chicks are in short skirts again, there's no cursing or blatant nudity, Sulu comes across as straight.

Enjoy it and have fun.

103 posted on 05/10/2009 7:43:17 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

If you want an example of a very young man promoted to the highest possible rank who never lost a battle, try Alexander the Great. To be frank, he promoted himself, but then he also never lost a battle and conquered just about the entire known world of the time.

Another example is Charles XII of Sweden, who had a highly successful military career for 8 years, starting at the age of 18. He conquered and damn near destroyed Poland and a good bit of Russia before being clobbered by Peter the Great at Poltava.

Scipio Africanus started his highly successful career in supreme command at the age of 25, his great opponent Hannibal assumed supreme command at 27. Scipio never lost a battle, and Hannibal lost only one.


104 posted on 05/10/2009 7:50:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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105 posted on 05/10/2009 7:58:07 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: pabianice

The guy that plays McCoy nailed it.

As for the volume — I always bring ear plugs to the cinema.


106 posted on 05/10/2009 8:08:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rlmorel

Thanks. Star Trek was my favorite TV show during its first run, but I’m not much on ‘canon’.

However, I suspect the ‘misfit is a hero’ plot will drive me nuts, since Capt Kirk was NOT a misfit. He merely believed what I was taught in OTS: Regulations are made for the guidance of the wise, and strict adherence of fools.


107 posted on 05/10/2009 8:10:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Everything for Unions, Nothing for Defense!)
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To: Mr Rogers

That is sound advice...:)

Thanks for your service!


108 posted on 05/10/2009 8:12:33 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: libertarian27

Yeah..., my only clue that it was from a Russian showing was some Russian lettering at the beginning and end... LOL...


109 posted on 05/10/2009 9:31:28 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: pabianice

I agree with every word of this review. The human equation has been lost. It’s Lost Trek now.


110 posted on 05/10/2009 10:23:24 PM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Future Snake Eater

No sorry the best shows on television are now Burn Notice followed by Chuck. Lost is just a poor attempt at trying to be clever, but ultimately fails to entertain.


111 posted on 05/10/2009 11:24:47 PM PDT by Tempest (Honk if I'm paying for your bonus.)
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To: pabianice

Excellent review. I agree.

The complete destruction of the Trek universe timeline was cheap and disgusting.


112 posted on 05/11/2009 12:54:09 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: PapaBear3625; pabianice

In the original “real” world of Star Trek, Kirk was the youngest man to ever make Captain - in his mid 30s! Now in La La Land of 2009, it is as a brawling 20-something punk.


113 posted on 05/11/2009 12:55:43 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: calex59

It does not mess with the original time line. The original time line is eviscerated. Everything you have seen for the past 40 years... all the shows, movies, books... GONE. ALL GONE. Poof, like that.


114 posted on 05/11/2009 1:04:29 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

Not totally, Spock prime is still alive, and Kirk prime could be in the Nexus, waiting to make a difference again.


115 posted on 05/11/2009 2:12:53 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Richard Kimball

Richard, that’s COOL! How did you do that little piece of fancy formatting that makes you “select to read the following”?

Regards,


116 posted on 05/11/2009 3:23:51 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

It’s no big trick. Just do a command font color=”white” The font becomes invisible because the background’s white.


117 posted on 05/11/2009 5:05:37 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Neat! Thanks for the info.

Regards,


118 posted on 05/11/2009 6:08:53 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
If you look objectively at Star Trek TOS, several things leap out. The first is that it is obviously a stage performance. From the actors pronounced stage makeup, to the minimalist sets, and the grand stage backdrop screens.

Or no backdrop screens at all ("The Empath"). Talk about minimalist...


119 posted on 05/11/2009 7:42:42 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Richard Kimball
"Probably the only thing remotely liberal was the "youth in rebellion" meme attached to Kirk."

I haven't seen this movie yet, but plan to.

I loved the old Star Trek, and the Next Generation. Voyager left me cold. But....

I'll duck because I know that what I am going to say next will get me flak:

The whole Star Trek premise, from its beginnings until now, was built on the idea a Socialist Utopia. Forget "one world government" -- this is "one universe government"!

The Federation is an intergalactic multi-world UN with military "teeth". No one in the Federation every talks about money, except the Ferengi and they are "greedy capitalists". No one comes from "a country", although main characters clearly had accents. Spock's "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few --or the one" is the antithesis of individual rights.

I've always been able to enjoy Star Trek purely as fantasy, because the life that they describe could never be -- it is a utopia. But I am not so sure that other people (especially kids) raised on it have been so unaffected.

120 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:31 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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