Waiting for the Rapture while America goes down the tubes! Vanity

INDEED.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

Thanks for your kind words.

Well worth repeating.
[... The answer is “grow the Christian numbers” — the politics will automatically take care of itself.

So, Christians don’t need to concentrate on “politics”, they need to concentrate on the Gospel message...]

Just thought this should be repeated.

Thanks for the ping!

So glad you can put them to good use.

There are many more of course. I distilled
those for a show I wrote called “Shipwrecked”.
It is a metphor, or course, for the United
States.

The ship was called The American, but it was
stolen and renamed The Merry Can.

Doesn’t that about say it?

Fascinating.

Where can one view the show?

Or have a transcript?

Congrats on a job well done.

I have a DVD of the latest version of the show,
but I could get you a script and the musical
tracks. It’s a whole education in American
history based on “The Light and the Glory” by
Peter Marshall.

I’m thinking of staging it again.

Sounds wonderful.

Will FREEPMAIL YOU.

Wow, Jo! That sounds absolutely fascinating! I love the Ship’s name, too! Perfect!

Some interesting gleanings from Stan Deyo's site while I look for a map:

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn74/sevenprophecies.htm

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THE COMING SHAKINGS OF JUDGEMENT IN AMERICA
by MAURICE SKLAR
Mar 15, 2008

After September 9, 2001, we entered into a new time in the earth. In an unexpected vision and following prophecy that I spoke (given the night before 9/11!) while I was preaching in New York - The Lord showed me and I declared that there were coming ten major “shakings” or judgments that would hit the earth. Each would bring a judgment against idolatry and would increase in both intensity and in severity. After each of these, there would follow an outpouring of grace along with an ever-increasing harvest of souls for the Kingdom of God.

What I did NOT expect was what happened to me. MY life was hit in every possible way, it seems. Like Job, from that night on, it was as if Satan came against me personally and destroyed everything that I held dear. I fell into a deep depression after many years of being healed from it. My finances were attacked. My marriage and home was destroyed. My children were deeply hurt. My reputation was maligned. I nearly lost my mind as I saw my life just ripped apart before me. It was like a nightmare for me during those several years.

Thankfully, God, by His grace, restored much of what I had lost and is still restoring now. Like Job, I believe that I will receive much more than before and still will live to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living, as it is written in Psalm 27. God is faithful to us and to His Word of promise in our lives! Amen.

Then, in October of 2005, the Lord visited me again with a very troubling prophecy concerning a number of specific natural disasters and terrorist attacks that I thought were coming immediately on the horizon to the nations of the world. He called for repentance and for the Bride of Messiah to come forth out of the Laodicean church. The Lord clearly spoke that His return was very near.

After struggling with that word for several weeks, I finally released it just as I received it. You can read it if you want (just click on “the Preparation of the Bride” prophecy on this teaching page of my website.) Well, much to my surprise, it went all around the world. Many thousands of intercessors began to pray, and I am now convinced that God held these calamities back in His mercy so that we would have more time to get the Gospel out to the nations (especially here in America!). Either this is the case, or I was entirely wrong and just missed it. If so, please forgive me. I do accept that as a distinct possibility, although I am now more and more convinced that I really DID have a genuine visitation from the Holy Spirit and God’s mercy did indeed intervene and held these calamities back, praise His Holy Name!

For some time, I haven’t received anything to write about. Since I promised the Lord that I would not write anything unless I knew that He led me to do so, I have not added anything since last August. But, I have carried such a burden for the nations. I have prayed and waited and watched. Finally, tonight, the Lord spoke once again and released me to write prophetically. So here it is:

We have had three of these ten massive shaking judgments so far – the World Trade Center, the earthquake/Tsunami in Indonesia, and Hurricane Katrina. Since then, we have seen a great wave of grace and blessing sweep over America and the world. But, consistent with the selfishness of fallen humanity, we soon forgot our fear of God and returned to our decadent immoral living with no regard for eternity, as it is written, “Let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die”.

That season of grace and mercy has finally run its’ course. Get ready…for the fourth shaking judgment is about to hit. I will not say specifically and I am not saying this to make anyone afraid but I have to write this in obedience because it is on the horizon.

However, the Lord focused me on America tonight.

These are the areas of sin that the Lord is the most grieved about in America:

1. Sexual immorality, acceptance of homosexuality in society, the epidemic rise internet pornography, greed, lust, violence, murder and perversion of all kinds. This has been seeded into our entire culture through the computer, and all forms of media including movies, music, and television.

2. Child abuse, human trafficking, the murder of the millions of innocent babies through abortion, and the neglect and abuse of the elderly by their own children. This includes particularly the spiritual raping of our children through witchcraft in movies, pop music and media, Satanic sacrifices of all kinds involving children, the throwing of God out of the schools forty years ago, and the Masonic seizure and the dividing of the land against God from the very foundations of our country until our day.

3. The departure from Biblical preaching and truth from the pulpits of our churches in favor of what pleases the people, the seducing and the castrating of God’s prophets by Jezebel and those “prophets” that eat at her table, and the removal of true anointed music and worship from our churches and meetings.

4. The love of money and all it can give us. We have become the most covetous society that has ever been. Like the song, “I WANT IT ALL! AND I WANT IT NOW!” God hates this and will surely judge this nation in these areas.

5. Our pressure on Israel through financial blackmail and “the international community” to force her to do what is against God’s will concerning her land and people. This will always bring about the swiftest retribution from heaven. Isn’t that in the Bible?

6. The twisting and the perverting of justice in our legal system, the media, and our entire culture- as it is written, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil – who substitute light for darkness and darkness for light.”

7. The political and the economic system that steals from the poor and the needy only to make the rich even richer, the corruption of our leadership, and the raping of our financial future through excessive spending and debt. This is because America bowed its’ knee to the Babylonian spirit of the “international community” over a hundred years ago and has never returned in repentance to God.

Now, I am just about as much of a New Testament “faith person” as it is possible to be. I cherish the promises of God and believe in both prosperity and healing from the hands of a loving God. But, read your Bibles, beloved! Each of those national sins listed above bring about curses, NOT blessings from God. God is a just and a Holy God. He will not allow these things to continue forever. This has become a covenant-breaking nation. We are in serious trouble. May God have mercy on us.

So, this is what will shortly happen if things continue as they are:

There are three areas in which this shaking judgment will hit America:

1. Our economy and way of life.

2. Natural disasters related to unusual and severe weather and the shifting of the earth.

3. Terror attacks from within and without.

The Lord said to me regarding President George W. Bush:

“Even though many despise him, I am pleased with him. He is My faithful servant. He has been a firewall against much evil that would have otherwise come. Because I regard the prayers of My Bride, I have withheld and stopped almost all that should have come already. He is like King Josiah - The last of the Godly kings in ancient Israel. Though not all is right, he has kept the standard of righteousness that I placed before him. Though he is maligned now, history will view him as a great President.”

Concerning the near future:

“But after him shall come a rapid deterioration and the removal -unless there is true repentance- of my blessings that have been taken for granted in the USA for the last fifty years. It has already begun. For my people have forsaken Me and worshiped every idol and given themselves to their demon lovers at every opportunity for the past 100 years. I will no longer hold back the shakings of judgment. Oh My people, go to your demon gods that you have chosen instead of Me and pray to them. Do you think they will deliver you in your day of calamity? Do you think that I can’t see what you do in the secret? I will expose your shame before all the nations of the world and they shall laugh and mock you when they see the burning, looting, flooding, financial ruin and your fall from the place of the head of the nations. You have used your leadership to pollute and defile the whole earth instead of bringing My Gospel to them. Therefore, even as I have watched over you to bless and protect you, so will I watch over you to destroy your preeminence and to make you cease from you haughtiness, your greed, and your pride. THEN, you will come to me once again in humility and repentance.

Prepare to meet thy God, oh United States of America!

The Spirit says: “How else can you escape the damnation of hell, America?”

I pray that we take heed, beloved, and continue to pray and intercede for true revival, awakening and repentance here in America before it is too late.

May the Lord have mercy on us!

Love in our Messiah,

Maurice Sklar

Maurice Sklar Ministries
12127 Mall Boulevard
A-440
Victorville, CA 92392

Website: www.mauricesklar.com
Email: info@...

My Vision of the Destruction of America

July 4, 1954
By A. A. Allen

Atop the Empire State Building

As I stood atop the Empire State Building, I could see the Statue of Liberty, illuminating the gateway to the new world. Here, spread before me like an animated map, is an area 60 or 80 miles in diameter. I was amazed that the Spirit of the Lord should so move me, there atop the Empire State building. Why should I feel such a surge of His Spirit and power there?

Giant Telescope

Suddenly I heard the voice of the Lord. It was as clear and as distinct as a voice could be. It seemed to come from the very midst of the giant telescope; but when I looked at the telescope, I knew it hadn't come from there, but directly from Heaven. The voice said, 2 CHRONICLES 16:9, "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou has done foolishly; therefore, from henceforth thou shalt have wars." Immediately when I heard the voice of God, I knew this was a quotation of scripture; but never before had a thing come to me so forcibly by the power of the Spirit.

Automatic Clock

The ticking of the telescope stopped. The man before me had used up his dime's worth. As he stepped away, I knew that I was next. As I stepped to the telescope and dropped in my dime, immediately the ticking started again. This ticking was an automatic clock which would allow me to use the telescope for a limited time only. As I swung the telescope to the north, suddenly the Spirit of God came upon me in a way that I had never thought of before. Seemingly, in the Spirit I was entirely caught away. I knew that the telescope itself had nothing to do with the distance which I was suddenly enabled to see, for I seemed to see things far beyond the range of the telescope, even on a bright, clear day. It was simply that God had chosen this time to reveal these things to me, for as I looked through the telescope, it was not Manhattan Island that I saw, but a far larger view.

North American Continent

That morning much of the view was impaired by fog; but suddenly as the Spirit of the Lord came upon me, the fog seemed to clear until it seemed that I could see for thousands of miles, but that which I was looking upon was not Manhattan Island. It was all of the North American continent spread out before me as a map is spread upon a table. It was not the East River and the Hudson River that I saw on either side, but the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans; and instead of the Statue of Liberty standing there in the bay on her small island, I saw her standing far out in the Gulf of Mexico. She was between me and the United States.

I suddenly realized that the telescope had nothing to do with what I was seeing but that it was a vision coming directly from God; and to prove this to myself, I took my eyes away from the telescope so that I was no longer looking through the lens, but the same scene remained before me.

Great Cities

There, clear and distinct, lay all the North American continent with all its great cities. To the north lay the Great Lakes. Far to the northeast was New York City. I could see Seattle and Portland far to the northwest. Down the west coast there were San Francisco and Los Angeles. Closer in the foreground lay New Orleans at the center of the Gulf Coast area. I could see the great towering ranges of the Rocky Mountains and trace with my eye the Continental Divide. All this and more I could see spread out before me as a great map upon a table.

Gigantic Hand

As I looked, suddenly from the sky I saw a giant hand reach down. That gigantic hand was reaching out toward the Statue of Liberty. In a moment her gleaming torch was torn from her hand, and in it instead was placed a cup; and I saw protruding from that great cup a giant sword, shining as if a great light had been turned upon its glistening edge. Never before had I seen such a sharp, glistening, dangerous sword. It seemed to threaten all the world. As the great cup was placed in the hand of the Statue of Liberty, I heard these words, "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, drink ye and be drunken and spew and fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send." As I heard these words, I recognized them as a quotation from Jeremiah 25:27.

I was amazed to hear the Statue of Liberty speak out in reply, "I WILL NOT DRINK!" Then as the voice of the thunder, I heard again the voice of the Lord saying, "Ye shall certainly drink" (Jeremiah 25:28). Then suddenly the giant hand forced the cup to the lips of the Statue of Liberty, and she became powerless to defend herself. The mighty hand of God forced her to drink every drop from the cup. As she drank the bitter dregs, these were the words that I heard: "Should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the Lord of hosts" (Jeremiah 27:29)

War, Death, Destruction

When the cup was withdrawn from the lips of the Statute of Liberty, I noticed the sword was missing from the cup, which could mean but one thing. THE CONTENTS OF THE CUP HAD BEEN COMPLETELY CONSUMED! I knew that the sword merely typified war, death, and destruction, which is no doubt on the way.

Then as one drunken on too much wine, I saw the Statue of Liberty become unsteady on her feet and begin to stagger and to lose her balance. I saw her splashing in the gulf, trying to regain her balance. I saw her stagger again and again and fall to her knees. As I saw her desperate attempts to regain her balance and rise to her feet again, my heart was moved as never before with compassion for her struggles; but as she staggered there in the gulf, once again I heard these words: "Drink ye and be drunken and spew and fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send among you" (Jeremiah 25:37).

As I watched, I wondered if the Statue of Liberty would ever be able to regain her feet, if she would ever stand again; and as I watched, it seemed that with all her power she struggled to rise and finally staggered to her feet again and stood there swaying drunkenly. I felt sure that at any moment she would fall again, possibly never to rise. I seemed overwhelmed with a desire to reach out my hand to keep her head above water, for I knew that if she ever fell again, she would drown there in the gulf.

"Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, nor for the arrow that flyeth by day, nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday" (Psalms 91:5-6).

Black Cloud Rising

Then as I watched, another amazing thing was taking place. Far to the northwest, just out over Alaska, a huge, black cloud was arising. As it rose, it was as black as night. It seemed to be in the shape of a man's head. As it continued to arise, I observed two light spots in the black cloud. It rose further, and a gaping hole appeared. I could see that the black cloud was taking the shape of a skull, for now the huge, white, gaping mouth was plainly visible. Finally, the head was complete. Then the shoulders began to appear; and on either side, long, black arms.

Skeleton Destroys Multitudes

It seemed that what I saw was the entire North American continent, spread out like a map upon a table with this terrible skeleton-formed cloud arising from behind the table. It rose steadily until the form was visible down to the waist. At the waist the skeleton seemed to bend toward the United States, stretching forth a hand toward the east and one toward the west, one toward New York and one toward Seattle. As the awful form stretched forward, I could see that its entire attention seemed to be focused upon the United States, overlooking Canada at least for the time being. As I saw the horrible black cloud in the form of a skeleton bending toward America, bending from the waist over, reaching down toward Chicago and out toward both coasts, I knew its one interest was to destroy the multitudes.

Mortal Agony

As I watched in horror, the great black cloud stopped just above the Great Lakes region and turned its face toward New York City. Then out of the horrible, great gaping mouth began to appear wisps of white vapor which looked like smoke, as a cigarette smoker would blow puffs of smoke from his mouth. These whitish vapors were being blown toward New York City. The smoke began to spread until it had covered all the eastern part of the United States.

Then the skeleton turned to the west and out of the horrible mouth and nostrils came another great puff of white smoke. This time it was blown in the direction of the west coast. In a few moments' time the entire West Coast and Los Angeles area were covered with its vapors.

Then toward the center came a third great puff. As I watched, St. Louis and Kansas City were enveloped in its white vapors. Then on they came toward New Orleans. Then on they swept until they reached the Statue of Liberty where she stood staggering drunkenly in the blue waters of the gulf. As the white vapors began to spread around the head of the statue, she took in but one gasping breath and then began to cough as though to rid her lungs of the horrible vapors she had inhaled. One could readily discern by the coughing that those white vapors had seared her lungs.

What were these white vapors? Could they signify bacteriological warfare or nerve gas that could destroy multitudes of people in a few moments' time?

Then I heard the voice of God as He spoke again: "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty and maketh it waste and turneth it upside-down and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. The land shall be utterly emptied and utterly spoiled, for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away. The world languisheth and fadeth away. The haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant; therefore, hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned and few men left" (Isaiah 24:1-6)

As I watched, the coughing grew worse. It sounded like a person about to cough out his lungs. The Statue of Liberty was moaning and groaning. She was in mortal agony. The pain must have been terrific, as again and again she tried to clear her lungs of those horrible white vapors. I watched her there in the gulf as she staggered, clutching her lungs and her breast with her hands. Then she fell to her knees. In a moment she gave one final cough, made a last desperate effort to rise from her knees, and then fell face forward into the waters of the gulf and lay still as death. Tears ran down my face as I realized that she was dead! Only the lapping of the waves, splashing over her body which was partly under the water and partly out of the water, broke the stillness.

"A fire devoureth before them, and behind them a flame burneth; the land is as the Garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness, yea, and nothing shall escape them".

Screaming of Sirens

Suddenly the silence was shattered by the screaming of sirens. The sirens seemed to scream, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

Never before had I heard such shrill, screaming sirens. They seemed to be everywhere to the north, the south, the east, and the west. There seemed to be multitudes of sirens; and as I looked, I saw people everywhere running, but it seemed none of them ran more than a few paces, and then they fell. And even as I had seen the Statue of Liberty struggling to regain her poise and balance and finally falling for the last time to die on her face, I now saw millions of people falling in the streets, on the sidewalks, struggling. I heard their screams for mercy and help. I heard their horrible coughing as though their lungs had been seared with fire. I heard the moanings and groanings of the doomed and the dying. As I watched, a few finally reached shelters, but only a few ever got to the shelters.

Above the moaning and the groaning of the dying multitudes, I heard these words: "A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth, for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations. He will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth, and the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:31-33).

Rocket Missile Attacks

Then suddenly I saw from the Atlantic and from the Pacific and out of the Gulf rocket-like objects that seemed to come up like fish leaping out of the water. High into the air they leaped, each headed in a different direction, but every one toward the United States. On the ground the sirens screamed louder, and up from the ground I saw similar rockets beginning to ascend. To me these appeared to be interceptor rockets although they arose from different points all over the United States; however, none of them seemed to be successful in intercepting the rockets that had risen from the ocean on every side. These rockets finally reached their maximum height, slowly turned over and fell back toward the earth in defeat.

Then suddenly the rockets which had leaped out of the oceans like fish all exploded at once. The explosion was ear-splitting. The next thing which I saw was a huge ball of fire. The only thing I have ever seen which resembled the thing I saw in my vision was the picture of the explosion of the H-bomb somewhere in the South Pacific. In my vision it was so real that I seemed to feel a searing heat from it.

Widespread Desolation

As the vision spread before my eyes and I viewed the widespread desolation brought about by the terrific explosions, I could not help thinking, While the defenders of our nation have quibbled over what means of defense to use and neglected the only true means of defense faith and dependence upon the true and living God the thing which she greatly feared has come unto her! How true it has proven in Psalms 127:1: Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it; except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

Then as the noise of battle subsided, to my ears came this quotation: "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion and sound an alarm in my holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand. 2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains, a great people and a strong, there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3. A fire devoureth before them, and behind them a flame burneth; the land is as the Garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness, yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6. Before their face the people shall be much pained; all faces shall gather blackness. 7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war, and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks. 8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path; and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall; they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and the moon shall be dark,, and the stars shall withdraw their shining (Joel 2:1-10).

The Silence of Death

Then the voice was still. The earth, too was silent with the silence of death.

Then to my ears came another sound a sound of distant singing. It was the sweetest music I had ever heard. There was joyful shouting and sounds of happy laughter. Immediately I knew it was the rejoicing of the saints of God. I looked, and there, high in the heavens, above the smoke and poisonous gases, above the noise of the battle, I saw a huge mountain. It seemed to be of solid rock, and I knew at once that this was the Mountain of the Lord. The sounds of music and rejoicing were coming from a cleft high up in the side of the rock mountain.

Hidden in the Cleft

It was the saints of God who were doing the rejoicing. It was God's own people who were singing and dancing and shouting with joy, safe from all the harm which had come upon the earth, for they were hidden away in the cleft of the rock. There in the cleft they were shut in, protected by a great, giant hand which reached out of the heavens and which was none other than the hand of God, shutting them in until the storm be overpassed.

You probably don’t understand it at all.

The only deference to religion other than Christianity ever given here historically was to our Hebrew brothers, and rightly so.

Have you ever looked at the US Supreme Court building?

Among others, it has a figurine representing, surpise, Muhammad!

Yes, the US was founded as a nation with Religion being separated from the State.

The reasons were many, but one prominent one was that Christianity itself wasn't a single faith- it was/is a collection of various feuding sects, with the feuds often being very violent. The first immigrants to the US fled their homeland on account of these feuds. This is what the Founding Fathers recognised, and realized the utter importance of removing Religion from what constituted the State.

Among others, it has a figurine representing, surpise, Muhammad!

And all those philosophers and religous men of the world are looking to one figure in the center. Who is that?

Moses holding the 10 Commandments.

There is no question that this nation was founded upon the Law and Justice of the God of Israel, and Christianity in particular.

This is what the Founding Fathers recognised, and realized the utter importance of removing Religion from what constituted the State.

When the original draft of the Establishment clause prevented the States as well as the Federal government from any establishment of religion, the clause was not ratified. It was not ratified until the CONGRESS ALONE was prevented. That in and of itself proves their intention, not to mention centuries of British common law and over a century of American precedence confirming the same.

What you proffer is a libertine idea, and wholly foreign to our founding, and our history. Our system simply cannot work without a firm and established Judeo-Christian ethic, in which, and for which, our Constitution was written.

As you readily admit, it was designed to accommodate the various denominations of Protestantism, which is well and good, for as diverse as they are, they are still of one very specific and agreeable ethic regarding law and justice. One God. One way (basically). Even yet, for all their bickering internally, the Protestant Churches are still the most powerful political force in this country.

It is a far cry from the multicultural insanity you would endorse. It was never meant to accommodate atheists, Buddhists, Satanists, Muslims, Wiccans, Giaists, Maoists, etcetera ad-infinitum. It is precisely this line of thought that has brought us from the melting pot to the cesspool.

Do some research on the term "True Religion" in it's context at the time, and then read the founding documents, letters and various patriotic hymns which were in the top 10 at the time, and you will be better equipped to understand the meaning our fathers meant to impart.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." -James Madison "The Father of Our Constitution"

And all those philosophers and religous men of the world are looking to one figure in the center. Who is that?

Immaterial, and the figurines are equally sized. If you've seen the actual thing, they are not all looking in one direction... most are looking at one another; some to the left, the others to the right. The very fact that Muhammad is there, as a "law-giver" disproves your "Judeo-Christian-based government" mythology.

The prominent Founding Fathers, including George Washington, were Deists. I also recall reading the latter having rarely

"The rights [to religious freedom] are of the natural rights of mankind, and ... if any act shall be ... passed to repeal [an act granting those rights] or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right."

-- Thomas Jefferson, Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers, 2:546

"... the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed."

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Major John Cartwright, June 5, 1824

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address.

[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom ... was finally passed, ... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.

-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

Oops. That should read, “I also recall reading the latter having rarely... gone to church.”

Thanks Quix.

So true.

It is vogue to call yourselve a christian in this day and age. BUT historically tribulation..small or great has always cleansed the Church..stripping the tares and showing who will walk it and who are merely talking it.

It will be much like the 2 thieves who were crucified with Christ...one will humbly say..”I accept and plead mercy for what I am.” and the other...will rail out in anger, challenging and seeking proof.

It’s coming.

It is the heart of a man that determines the outcome.

If a heart is evil, has it’s own agenda and needs no God other then itself....that heart can take the Bible and twist it to meet its own agenda. The same holds true for our Constitution.

Generations have waxed colder and more wicked since both were written. Hearts are evil and cold with an agenda for self and not an agenda for the Kingdom of God.

We will reap the consequences of that...we will watch what happens when we choose that wide path than can and only will lead to destruction.

A broken repentant heart will change the nature of a man/woman. Until that happens..it is ALL legalism and religiosity. The ink and paper of either document...Bible or Constitution will mean nothing. The spirit of it has been lost...the nature of it is wrong....producing a people in rebellion against God, most not even realizing it.

The role of a Christian is not to be a moral policeman. That is what Pharisees do.

INDEED.

THX.