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Those nice Vikings did a lot for us - and it wasn’t all pillaging[UK]
Times Online ^ | 13 Mar 2008 | Ben Hoyle

Posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:11 AM PDT by BGHater

From the moment that they ransacked a remote priory at Lindisfarne in 793, the Vikings have had a bad press.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle’s entry for the year says that the raiders made “lamentable havoc in the church of God in Holy-island, by rapine and slaughter”, fixing the popular image of the Vikings for the next 1,200 years. New evidence suggests that many of the Norse invaders were in fact model immigrants.

Historians will try to redress the balance today at a conference at the University of Cambridge and show that the Vikings who settled in Britain and Ireland were technologically sophisticated, swapped ideas and often lived in relative harmony with Anglo-Saxons and Celts.

“The latest evidence does not point to a simple opposition between ‘Vikings’ and ‘natives’,” said Fiona Edmonds, of the Department of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic at the university. “Within a relatively short space of time — and with lasting effect — the various cultures in Britain and Ireland started to intermingle. Investigating that process provides us with a historical model of how political groups can be absorbed into complex societies, contributing much to those societies in the process. There are important lessons that can be gained from this about cultural assimilation in the modern era.”

The findings are based on new archaeological evidence, historical studies and analysis of the language, literature and coinage of the period. Together they illustrate how between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; assimilation; godsgravesglyphs; thevikings; uk; viking; vikings
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To: Red_Devil 232

Wow, quite a scene.


41 posted on 03/13/2009 10:39:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Billthedrill

“British cuisine?” I am unfamiliar with the concept. The juxtaposition of those words appears a bit incongruous, at least.


42 posted on 03/14/2009 5:29:48 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: blam
Ye olde ammo locker and larder is quite full here, where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’?
43 posted on 03/14/2009 3:52:38 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld
"...where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’? "

I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots

44 posted on 03/14/2009 11:27:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: ThanhPhero

Well, near as I can figger it has a lot to do with boiling stuff you wouldn’t normally think would be very good boiled. Beef, for example. And you’d be right.


45 posted on 03/14/2009 11:54:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: blam

Thanks. My broher had his down and seem there is some linkage to ........


46 posted on 03/15/2009 11:39:47 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

If you and your brother have the same father and mother, your DNA will be the same. (At least for genological purposes)


47 posted on 03/15/2009 11:47:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yes, we have the same two parents BUT HE had some French indicators/markers? .... I'm hoping I don't :^) (J/K - prolly from our Huguenot lineage.
48 posted on 03/15/2009 11:50:43 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: blam
I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots


Because of blam, and only because of blam (his posts on the subject over the years), I had my DNA done at The Genographic Project last year. Paternally, I'm haplogroup I1a (now same as I1). Maternally, I'm haplogroup H. My paternal sequence has the M253 marker, which means that my male ancestor arrived in Britain with the Anglo-Saxons, or later with the Vikings. There isn't enough resolution with the Genographic's 12 STRs (short tandem repeats) to be more exact.

Those with haplogroup I are fortunate to have a good mailing list, and Dr. Ken Nordtvedt:

Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-L Archives

Index of /~knordtvedt
49 posted on 03/15/2009 4:46:53 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: Billthedrill


Jellied Eel was certainly a hit!


(Sven.....check the bilges for larder..)

50 posted on 03/15/2009 4:57:19 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: behzinlea; Boreas
See the info in post #49.

Boreas, I was suprised to find that my mtDNA is haplpgroup 'V' as are 52% of the Skolt Sa'ami of northern Finand. (Reindeer herders) But, so are Benjamin Franklin and Bono(U2) so..I'm cool.

My dad's mother, Mrs Smith, is related to 9,000 Year Old Cheddar Man haplogroup U5a (Ancient DNA), another haplogroup popular with the Sa'ami. Haplogroup U5a is very old.

51 posted on 03/15/2009 5:06:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Boreas, I was suprised to find that my mtDNA is haplpgroup 'V'

Yes, I noticed that in some of your posts, and I've kept an eye out for more examples, but you are indeed cool. Perhaps your people moved further north during a warming, or maybe they were trapped there for a while, etc. If I find something I'll let you know.

My dad's mother, Mrs Smith, is related to...

My paternal side is from Somerset, not far from Cheddar, so I was half expecting U5a, but it came back Anglo-Saxon or Viking. Next I'll be doing my father's mother's side. They came from Devon.

This whole field is really progressing quickly, so I think that in a few years (with all the new markers being found) a lot more refinement will be possible.
52 posted on 03/15/2009 9:26:28 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: Boreas
I read somewhere that the U5a's in Scotland and Finland were so closely related that they must have been connected prior to the rise of the oceans at the end of the Ice Age that seperated them. Article here.

I think the 'V's' and U5a's followed the decline of the glaciers north as they melted.

BTW, there is a 23,000 year old Cheddar Man too but I don't know anything about him. Oppenheimer mentions him in his book, Origins Of The British which you'd like.

53 posted on 03/15/2009 9:49:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: BGHater
between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part

Do you know of any instances where the descendants of the invaders and the homelanders didn't assimilate within 500 years while living in the same neighborhood?

54 posted on 03/16/2009 10:17:49 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns.)
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To: PurpleMan

your right, no one in England would have any idea or opinions on what is going on in America. Professors never have a liberal agenda, especially those in the UK. In fact they sit back and mind their own business when it comes to politics.

Even if this guy doesn’t have an agenda those who run with the story will. I can tell you right now that there are no historians in the world who don’t have a political slant, a reason for why they say what they say. No one in their right mind would say that everything the Vikings did where bad. However we look at the Vikings we can not get away from the fact that for the most part they sailed in their boats, attacked settlements and took away the loot to their homeland.

Every paper ever written on history has an agenda. What is the agenda?


55 posted on 03/17/2009 9:01:50 PM PDT by KungFuBrad (White Devil http://whitedevilredangel.mee.nu/)
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