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To: ChessExpert
Interesting take, and I haven't gone through the appendices in the original paper well enough to be confident in my conclusions...but it seems like they observed "a bit", in order that their disturbing of the system observed, for *each trial*, was limited to within some error bars -- like the difference between dirty eyeglasses and taking them off entirely :-)

Then they acquired statistics of (and hence information of the quantum states) by averaging over many trials.

I liked your comment at the end, btw -- the modern scientists jumped the gun on deciding what entity really was an ἄτομος.

Cheers!

30 posted on 03/12/2009 3:42:10 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers; ChessExpert
"Then they acquired statistics of (and hence information of the quantum states) by averaging over many trials"

Yet there is still no way that they can be assured that there isn't some significant, yet undeterminable systematic influence affecting their observations.

It would be illogical to expect to observe anything without affecting it. Its just that in our everyday measurements the uncertainty gets buried in the everpresent noise.

36 posted on 03/12/2009 8:09:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: grey_whiskers

You provided a nice description of their technique. You are following the science.

I was merely following some of the philosophy and logic. I was a little surprised that their logical reasoning appeared wrong (on one point). I would have thought that logic would be easy and experimental science hard. Perhaps for some people it’s the other way around.


40 posted on 03/12/2009 10:01:39 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The Dow was at 12,400 when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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