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To: Chet 99

The article isn’t based on established facts, and relies heavily on what the mainstream media selectively decides is ‘news’.

There is no such thing as a vicious breed of dog, folks. Ask your vet.

And I have a personal experience to share related to this. A year ago this May, we had to put our black Lab ‘Lucy’ down because she had whats described among vets as ‘red rage’.

Sweet, loving, cuddly Lucy...all 80 pounds of her, would ‘go off’ like a rocket. We never knew when, or what, would set her off.

Three times she tried to kill our Rott/Shepard mix over the five years we had her from a pup. I’m 6’2” 195 and in pretty good shape, and I couldn’t stop her.

I’ve never owned a pit bull. I’ve known many who have however. And NOT ONE incident of a bite - let alone a ‘grab and hold and thrash’ type attack.

They are extremely loving animals. EXTREMELY LOVING.

But, while not classified as a ‘giant dog’ for AKC ratings, they do have genetically unusual jaws. And yep, 1600 pounds plus of pressure ‘can’ be applied by a pit bull.

That said, they are not among the top ten catagory of ‘most likely to bite’.

The problem is...when they do, it can be devastating.

Its up to the owner, folks. Always has been, always will be. Some were absolutely terrified of my Rott, Roxie, when she was in her ‘prime’, but thats hollywood generated nonsense. She never grabbed anyone, and was easily the most controllable dog I’ve ever had - I measure by the fact I can ‘call her off’ a cornered raccoon, or snake, or other dog (Lucy and her the first two times Lucy went at her).

The problem isn’t the breed, folks.

Its the stupid humans. JMHO.


5 posted on 02/18/2009 11:56:03 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye

—The problem isn’t the breed, folks.

Its the stupid humans. JMHO.—

I agree. The only caveat with pitbulls is that there are two different “lines.” One line is the pet/show line, and these guys/gals are perfectly sweet dogs. The other line is the “fighting” line, bred for combat. These animals, like fighting cocks, are bred for agressiveness, and, IIRC, when a dog fighting establishment is raided, even the puppies are destroyed. Otherwise, a cute pitbull puppy from fighting stock can “switch on” (a fighting term) and become combative, maybe years later—this makes them a bad risk. Then again it’s stupid, cruel humans who perpetuate the fighting lines in the first place.


20 posted on 02/18/2009 12:39:55 PM PST by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: Badeye
Chett, to put it bluntly you are full of BS.
I am a long time handler and trainer of military dogs, stock dogs, bomb dogs, dope dogs ect.
Lets start with a border collie. They have been bred for hundreds of years to work livestock only that's not quite the whole story. A border collie has an instinctual drive to work anything that moves, livestock, ducks, or even children. The pro stock dog trainers sort their pups by watching how they work a “herd of ducks” when the pup is only a couple months old. It is all about instinct, not training or about a loving home. The pup has been bred to work and will do so no matter what!!!!! It's called instinct and it can be demonstrated and clearly identified.
Now lets talk about pit bulls. They have been bred to “bite and fight” for the last few hundred years. This instinct has been selectively bred into the pitts and there is nothing that you or any other owner can do to take it out. Behavior can be modified to any extreme but no person is capable of removing instinctual predisposition from any animal. The belief that one is capable of that ability is pure arrogance.
I know few border collies that don't normally work anything but I have never found a single one that I could not get to work on some level. Even if not displayed every day the instinct to work is always there at some level and can be triggered.
Pitts are the same way. The most dangerous Pit Bull is one that is owned by an idiot who refuses to admit what his dog has been biologically designed and bred to do.
All the numbers clearly show that the pit bull has the number one spot for attacks on humans, attacks on kids, and attacks that end in the death of a child. That is just the truth and will remain the truth no matter what you say or want to believe. Those are very real and true statistics. I have testified several times in dog attack cases as an expert in dog aggression. I've looked at more pictures and analyzed more attack situations than you can imagine. You have no idea how much damage a pitt or two can do to a human body in a short amount of time. You have no clue just how quickly they can kill a small child. I have a question for you. Why do you want or need a dog that has been bred to bite and fight and has a history of doing exactly that? Is there no other breed of dog that wouldn't work better for your needs? The vast majority of pitt attacks on people have nothing to do with the dogs home environment and everything to do with a trigger that jump started the instinct to attack. I know several vets who openly ask why these dogs are allowed to breed and perpetuate these instincts.
31 posted on 02/18/2009 12:55:25 PM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: Badeye
“There is no such thing as a vicious breed of dog, folks. Ask your vet.” Badeye

I work with dogs, know people who work with dogs, have talked with many vets and vet techs.

They all recognize that different dog breeds have different temperaments with some being much more likely to bite than others, and a bite from some being much more serious than others.

Every vet I have talked to has a “worst offender” breed list, of dogs they know that are likely to bite, and the bite from will be severe.

42 posted on 02/18/2009 1:08:38 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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