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Fighter jets scrambled after UFO follows plane over Athens: jets were scrambled to intercept a UFO
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 9:30AM GMT 10 Feb 2009 | Matthew Moore

Posted on 02/10/2009 4:03:18 AM PST by JoeProBono

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To: Las Vegas Dave

More from Stanton Friedman soonish.


561 posted on 04/28/2009 2:50:30 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; fatima; Las Vegas Dave; JoeProBono; DCPatriot

STANTON FRIEDMAN PT ONE RE HIS NEW BOOK:

FLYING SAUCERS AND SCIENCE:
A Scientist Investigates The Mysteries of UFO’s

Stanton: . . . the naysayer I debated on CNN’s Larry King . . . had not done ANY homework.

He was not even aware of a list of studies . . . and he had 2 weeks between that show and debating him in another venue and he STILL didn’t do any homework.

Part 6
Father Balducci . . . of the Vatican . . . saying it’s OK to acknowledge that aliens are visiting earth . . . and the head of the Vatican Observatory said over a month ago that such was going on.

Giving his spiel about why he thinks some of the ET’s come from Zeta Reticuli.

Reasons for UFO’s visiting us . . .

—education field trips
—honeymooners
—anthropology

—mining . . .

etc.

Talking about Sagan’s letter to Astronomy mag??? about the Betty Hill star map was full of misrepresentations.

Publisher had had a brain tumor at the time he caved-in to Carl Sagan.

part 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioHUne4ACwg&NR=1

What advice does Stanton have for those of us who are the experts on the UFO topic in our social networks.

MAKE SURE HAVE FACTS IN HAND BEFORE PUTTING MOUTH IN GEAR

CAN USUALLY GET LOCAL MEDIA TO EXCHANGE MUTUAL RESPECT.

FIND OTHERS . . . e.g. by joining MUFON . . .

Particularly ally with military folks and pilots.

STANTON SHREDS ISAAC ASIMOV’S RESEARCH BY DECLARATION!

Data is all classified about “uncorrelated targets” . . . can’t call them UFO’s.

STANTON has visited 20 or more document archives. Most debunkers have visited none.

part 11

Stanton Friedman re: Philip Klass

George thinks that Phil helped keep UFOlogists on their toes . . .

George: Was he working for the gov as a debunker?

Stanton . . . he was a natural ‘turn to guy’ for the media . . . he was a handy debunker right there in D.C.

Phil was always making these silly offers . . . he used to brag about having this offer . . . $1,000 vs $100 offer . . .

Stanton: So I pulled $100 out and shocked him . . .

He was a game player . . .

I’ve heard some stories that he had a high level security clearance . . . but I’ve never been able to PROVE that he was taking money from the government.

He pointed out in a rather snotty letter . . . he challenged me on the type face on one of the memo’s . . . perhaps I hadn’t noticed it was in a large Pica type.

He challenged me to find any other memos from the same time frame from NSA . . . he would pay me $100 each up to a limit of 10 of them . . .

I’d already recognized that there were at least 3 other type faces used . . . I went to my files and pulled out 14 memos . . . and was going to the Eisenhower archives . . .

so I submitted an invoice to him for $1,000 and he paid me.

He told everyone about challenging me but he told no one about paying me.

. . . typical of the intellecutal bankruptcy of the pseudo science of anti-UFOlogy.

He got very angry when I published the check. He sent me a threatening letter—his dad was a lawyer. I told him he sent me the check, I xeroxed it and cashed it and I can do whatever I want with the copy. He got off my back.

He was in a position to be very useful to the government. Whether he actually got money for it, I don’t know.

I don’t have the resources the debunkers do.

They are in a position to flood the market with garbage.

The Peter Jennings Mockumentary . . . interviewed 150 people . . . for the show . . . Fewer than 50 made the cut—had a lavish budget; traveled overseas . . .

My theory is that someone in the government said “Hey, we need to find out what all these UFOlogists know at this point. Let’s get a famous newsman to invite them to be on a show . . . “ Over 200 hours of tape . . .

part 12

. . . didn’t make it off the cutting room floor—makes no sense unless there was some perfidious reason . . .

I tried to point out in MJ12 . . . what was wrong with the docs, what was right with the docs and what was wrong with the debunkers.

I have found other examples of the security marking that some claimed was wrong.

One of the main reasons has to be that they don’t want to give up power.

pt 13

Orders were given to shoot the UFO’s down in 1952 if they didn’t land.

I’ve heard 7 which suggests there’s a lot more than that . . . when flying in Europe in early 50’s that we lost 20 planes to UFO’s.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY By William Burrouws about 156 military crewman of American recon planes . . . that were tickling Russia and China . . . shot down by the Russians . . . NOT ONE WORD IN PUBLIC ABOUT ANY OF THAT, THEIR FAMILIES WERE ALL LIED TO . . .

That’s a sticky wicket . . . if we’ve been shooting at them and they’ve been shooting back . . . may be something we don’t want to admit to.

What about treaties between gov and aliens . . . violating all kinds of things about Senate approval etc.

Ike meeting aliens at Edwards and at Hollaman AFB.

Found the wife of the dentist. Never recalled hubby treating Ike. Medical records didn’t show a trip to the dentist, either. So it would fit the time line for him to be at Edwards.

I can’t prove those George . . . but I allow room for them.

The problem I have with treaties . . . “We’ll let you abduct humans in exchange for tech . . .” but we don’t “let” them do anything.

We need more imagination about why they might be coming here.

pausing for dindin


562 posted on 04/28/2009 3:05:49 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Las Vegas Dave; JoeProBono; DCPatriot

Stanton Friedman continued . . . .

Michael Wolf . . . Grandiose claims . . . none of them true . . . not really college educated . . . many mental problems . . .

Part 14

An interesting person with delusions . . . I talked with his sister and brother . . . with people at his apartment . . .

There was no such institute except in his imagination . . .

A very sad case . . .


George: You’ve had some hands on case with disinformation . . .

Stanton: Not really, nobody’s approached me with such.

I think there’s a major event when the Chicago Tribune carried the major event of the OHare sighting . . .

Got more hits on their website than anything they’d ever published—more than 1 million hits . . .

The Trib even wrote something that they were surprised because they’d thought the topic was only of marginal interest to folks.

The French story about going to release their docs . . . the site crashed from overload after 2 hours . . .

Stanton: I like Jacques . . . I have problems with some of his notions but not with Jacques as a person . . . he doesn’t know anything about intersteller travel like most astronomers . . . we have met a number of times. I’ve been in his home.

Part 15


563 posted on 04/28/2009 6:07:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Las Vegas Dave; JoeProBono; DCPatriot

Stanton . . .

doesn’t know if anything’s going to happen 2012 . . . and doesn’t know if it will have anything to do with aliens if something does happen.

Why can’t Presidents just take their private army to area 51 and find out what’s going on.

Stanton defends status quo . . . interestingly.

Part 16

Presidents are under all kinds of restraint. One is need to know . . . they don’t have a need to know everything . . .

I think Presidents get told a small part of the story. e.g. KEEP YOUR HANDS AWAY FROM THIS TOPIC . . .

“Presidents come and go. Intel agencies go on forever.”

Stanton . . . ancient India flying machines etc. would be a fruitful area for research.

Earth has been suitable for living for what a billion years . . . we know something about maybe the last 10,000.

Stanton: I think a number of earthlings have been abducted by a number of aliens . . . and a lot of those cases don’t get investigated enough.

Most important is the person . . . the abductee.

End of show.


564 posted on 04/28/2009 7:07:20 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Hey Quix! Good evening!

It’s been bugging me.

Swine Flu’s Ground Zero is Mexico City....a hot-spot for UFO activity.


565 posted on 04/28/2009 7:24:27 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

I don’t have much of a perspective on that.

I can note . . .

1. The ET’s are in cahoots with satan toward setting up the global government and reducing the world population by force.

2. It’s certainly likely that at least some of their technologies have gone into engineering very deadly stuff.

3. Some are speculating that this virus may have some genetic markers keyed to destroying the Spanish sorts of DNA folks. It’s interesting that most of the deaths are in that group though poverty might be a factor.

4. I mostly think the UFO/MEXICO CITY thing is a coincidence but I could well be wrong.

5. Certainly the oligarchy has planned to exterminate blacks, and other ‘minority’ non-white races . . . their using such groups to gain power has been very mercenary and hypocritical to the max. Ditto with homosexuals. They really do plan to exterminate most such categories of people once their usefulness as useful idiots has passed.

6. Oh, they’ll propagandize otherwise . . . yet . . . where has the likely engineered AIDS virus hit the hardest . . . AFRICA. We shall see. Who knows what the truth is amidst all the disinformation.

7. I certainly don’t put anything past the evil doers running things so brazenly.

8. Thankfully, God has more surprises for them, than they do for the world.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.


566 posted on 04/28/2009 7:45:14 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I'd thought Dr. Marcel had faded away.
Good to know he's involved in the *issue* because he more than most knows what's up, firsthand.

Considering how the matter's been handled by our handlers, I'd guessed he'd been run off.

567 posted on 04/29/2009 6:12:41 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Quix; Las Vegas Dave; All
LIVE VIDEO: Fox 8 News at 10 p.m. UFO Above Cleveland?

Numerous viewers have sent in e-mails regarding a story by Fox 8 reporter Belinda Prinz.

However, the e-mails have nothing to do with the story she reported on. They have to do with a mysterious object that appears in one of the camera shots. VIDEO

568 posted on 04/30/2009 9:14:04 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Interesting but it sure is brief!

Thanks.


569 posted on 04/30/2009 9:23:11 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Yup. A flash in the pan ;-}


570 posted on 04/30/2009 9:26:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; areafiftyone; aruanan; A South Park Republican; auggy; ..

See below link, photos taken by (Olmsted Township or Olmsted Falls) police photographer in 2004, of an object over Cleveland very near Cleveland’s Hopkins International Airport which is very close to Cleveland’s NASA facility.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1238276/posts?page=215#215


571 posted on 05/01/2009 2:02:07 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...
THANKS THANKS.

UFO PING LIST PING.

Please let Las Vegas Dave; D.C.Patriot and I know if you want on or off the lists:

A) ORIGINAL LARGEST LIST LEAST FREQUENT THOUGH with more dramatic things happening more frequently—can still sometimes be almost daily. More often it probably averages weekly to 2-3 times/week.

B) More frequently but moderate amount of pings/week.

C) More frequently. Can be daily or every other day or so.

D) Depending . . .Can be daily—Quix’s buddy UFO LIST.

When you choose a level, you are included on all the lower levels as well.

LINDA MOULTON HOWE THIS EVENING . . . VERY INTERESTING CROP CIRCLES AND SUN STUFF . . .

WILL try and post a report from her website shortly or when I can.

50 SUN SPOTS OVER 30 YEARS SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AGO

VS 40+ THOUSAND PER YEAR NORMALLY IN MODERN TIMES.

NEW SUNSPOT CYCLE EXPECTED TO BEGIN 2007. STILL HAS NOT BEGUN.

266 DAYS COMPLETELY SUN-SPOTLESS . . .

FEB 1903 TO AUG 1913 . . . LAST SPOT-LESS YEARS.

APPROACHING 13 YEARS . . . MINIMUM . . . CONSIDERABLY LONGER THAN AVERAGE 11 YEARS.

1785 to 1800 next to last exceptional spot-less years.

MONDRA GRAND MINIMUM 1635 TO 1705 --70 YEARS

Having few sun spots doesn't preclude having a huge solar flare. They can still be punctuated by huge solar flares.

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Part 2:  First 2009 U. K. Crop Formations Counting Down to 2012?

© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe

 

“I think the most important facet of this crop circle
phenomenon is well beyond the physical.” 
- Charles Mallett,
Silent Circle Information Center, Calne, U.K.

“Sunburst” in yellow, flowering oilseed rape spanning 298 feet at
Rutland's Farm near ancient stone circles of Avebury, reported April 23, 2009.
Images © 2009 by Charles Mallett.

Return to Part 1

 

April 30, 2009  Wiltshire, England -  

3)  April 23, 2009, Rutland's Farm near Avebury. Diameter 298 feet.

Charles Mallett:  “The sunburst formation, inside that pattern at Rutland's Farm near Avebury - because all of the 16 points were all different lengths for the sunburst effect - it's not a thing that you could really plot out on the ground and do it. It's like the whole thing just fell down in one big go, and it really looks like that on the ground. It was really incredibly neat! My tape measure went tight at 298 feet. That is very, very large for a formation in oilseed rape, very impressive.

“Sunburst” in yellow, flowering oilseed rape spanning 298 feet at Rutland's Farm
near ancient stone circles of Avebury. Images © 2009 by Charles Mallett.

 

CHARLES, WE'RE TALKING OILSEED RAPE, WHICH IS SO THICK AND FULL OF POLLEN AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AS BIG AS THIS IS, YOU WERE SEEING SO MANY STEMS THAT WERE LAID DOWN ON THE GROUND WITHOUT A CRUNCH OR A BREAK OR A CREASE.

That's right. I'd say about two-thirds of the plants in the formation that we looked at did not have breaking, crunching, creasing, crushing, snapping or ripped off flowers, which comes when people drag pieces of wood boards over those types of plants.

Above: Oilseed rape stems inside the sunburst formation near Avebury reported
April 23, 2009, were laid down without breaking or creases. Below: Center swirl
of oilseed rape stems without breaking. Images © 2009 by Charles Mallett.

[PICS AVAILABLE AT LINDA'S SITE--ARE IN THE PUBLIC SECTION CURRENTLY]

[PLEASE GO TO LINDA'S SITE FOR IMAGES]
Diagram of  “sunburst” with curved tips like solar flares,
spanning 298 feet at Rutland's Farm near ancient stone circles
of Avebury © 2009 by Andreas Mueller.

 

4)  April 24, 2009, Morgan's Hill Southwest of Avebury. Diameter 308 feet.

Then like 2 AM in the morning, I get woken up by Mark Fussell from Cropcircleconnector.com telling me there is another formation! I think he's having a laugh. I think, ‘Come on, Mark! I'm just getting over the sunburst!' So, I went out right away. It was another big one and we went into the formation and it was like, ‘No way! This is really neater than yesterday's (sunburst)!’ Really sharp!

7-circle triangle in yellow, flowering, oilseed rape stretches 308 feet,
perhaps the longest pattern in thick canola on record, was reported April 24, 2009,
at Morgan's Hill southwest of Avebury, and is the fourth oilseed formation
since April 14, 2009. Aerial images © 2009 by Nick Nicholson.  
See: Cropcircleconnector.com

All ground images © 2009 by Charles Mallett.





Diagram of April 24, 2009, Morgan's Hill
formation © 2009 by Andreas Mueller.

 

I HAVE NEVER SEEN WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN THESE CIRCLES FORMING A TRIANGLE LIKE THIS IN OILSEED RAPE BEFORE.

The plants are slightly a different variety or strain. They are actually taller, about 5-feet-high and the stems are kind of thicker, which means they are much more brittle and much more difficult to manipulate. But in this formation, two people who I went with to the big sunburst, they also went to this Morgan's Hill formation and they were, ‘Wow! You'll be really blown away by this one if you thought the sunburst was good.’

And when I got to the formation, right away I could practically find no broken stems. It was amazing! In oilseed rape, I've never seen a formation that looked so perfect. It looked like a carpet of flowers. Everything was perfect! I'd say at least 95% of the flattened plants that I looked at had a perfect bend just above the ground and the plants are growing horizontal. It was pretty much consistent all over the formation.

[QX NOTE: Which means--it was impossible to have been formed by drunks with ropes and boards]


Oilseed rape stems flattened in Morgan's Hill triangle of circles
without breaking. Image © 2009 by Charles Mallett.

This formation is actually slightly larger than the sunburst the day before. It's about 308 feet in diameter. Very impressive! There is something deeply strange going on in that field the night before. This formation at Morgan's Hill, I was very impressed with that, more impressed with that than I have been over many, many years of any kind of formation - the whole deal, very mysterious.

 

Oilseed Rape Very Difficult to Manipulate

BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN TRYING TO MOVE IN OILSEED RAPE (CANOLA) - WHETHER IT IS THE TALL 6 FOOT VARIETY OR THE SHORTER HYBRID THAT IS LOWER, CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR A GENERAL AUDIENCE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO WORK IN AND MOVE THROUGH OILSEED RAPE?

They are very stiff and very brittle plants. If you wade yourself out into the field, it tends to tangle around your legs. You walk out of the fields really yellow, you know, as the pollen comes all over you and your sneezing. Considering the logistics and problems with laying down a large, coherent pattern in that kind of crop, it would be a lot more difficult in oilseed rape than it would be in something like wheat or barley.

These April 2009 formations that have appeared this year so far look pretty sophisticated, large, elaborate designs, even in the smaller one east of Avebury at the Ridgeway. Pretty difficult to actually see what it is on the ground. Because these plants are still relatively young, they spring back up pretty much immediately if they are not crushed to the ground. And that would obviously kill the plants.

I’d say at this time, they are mysterious because there is no evidence on the ground in those formations that suggest either was constructed by people. I look at the areas where people have obviously not walked. And if I’m finding unbroken stems there, I think: How can that happen? When I try to bend oilseed rape plants down or just push them down to see what the effect is, they all break. And all these first four April 2009 formations in oilseed rape, in the areas that were outside the general walk path area where people would normally walk, there was a fairly high percentage of the plants that were not broken.

WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS A COMPLEXITY INSIDE A VERY DIFFICULT CROP.

Yes, I couldn’t do it!

THAT BREAKS UNDER FEET, AND THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE WORK FROM BIOPHYSICIST W. C. LEVENGOOD IN GRASS LAKE, MICHIGAN. HE IS CONVINCED THAT THE HARD, PHYSICAL DATA FROM THE SOIL AND PLANTS INDICATE THAT SOME KIND OF SPINNING PLASMA WITH MICROWAVE AND ELECTRONIC ENERGIES HAVE INTERACTED WITH MANY PLANTS IN FORMATIONS THAT HE HAS STUDIED.

Clearly, there are biological anomalies in the plants and compositional changes in the soil. These oilseed rape stems cannot just bend like that! If you shove a plank of wood down on them, they break. It’s as simple as that. And to some degree in these formations this year, even though they were fairly heavily visited, there were elements of those crop circles that I fully could not explain.

WHAT IS YOUR OWN PERSONAL SENSE NOW THAT MANY OF THE GEOMETRIES ARE LIKE COUNTDOWN CLOCKS PERHAPS TO DECEMBER 2012?

I think it is entirely likely. I mean, I have myself looked into the whole 2012 Mayan long count calendar and the issue of huge cyclic events that seem to come around in the development of human consciousness. 

Something really strange and really amazing is interacting with the land in various parts of the world in various kinds of ways. It's pretty amazing!

 

Astronomical Themes in Crop Formations
July 15, 2008 Earth and Solar System Crop Formation

Last year, there was a crop formation down near Avebury. It was a huge crop formation in wheat depicting our solar system, in fact, with all of the planets.

If you were to apply the design of that crop formation to the positions of the planets in our solar system on December 21 to 22, 2012, that crop formation was talking about that exact date that ends the Mayan long count calendar. That suggests some kind of shift or transition.

Incidentally, the farmer came along and trashed that solar system crop circle a couple of days after it arrived. And about one week later, another crop circle appeared in the same field, which was one-third bigger than the first one – 800 feet wide (laughs)! That was really bizarre and that one contained a lot of very strange symbols, which I think some did relate to ancient South American and Mesopotamian symbolism relating to the same date.

The inference was that there is a kind of critical juncture that we are heading to as a species, as a consciousness, as a collective and that there is some kind of Wake Up! Or some kind of transition or some kind of evolutionary event about to happen.

From my experience, the people who choose to interact with this phenomenon - to examine it, to feel it, sleep in it, do their own thing - they come out enriched and evolved in many ways. And it's really unexplainable the effect it seems to have on people. It does have a fairly deep, fairly profound effect.

I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY ABOUT THE PROFOUND IMPACT THAT CROP FORMATIONS HAVE HAD ON ME AND PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN GOING THERE SINCE THE EARLY 1990S, YOURSELF INCLUDED. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT AS WE'RE TALKING IN APRIL 2009, IS ASTRONOMER GERALD HAWKINS, WHO PASSED AWAY A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT BEFORE HE PASSED, HE HAD CONFIDED THAT HIS PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT CROP FORMATIONS IS THAT THEY WERE BEING MADE BY INTELLIGENCES FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION - PERHAPS EVEN FROM A DIMENSION THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THE MOMENT OF DEATH IN THIS DIMENSION.

Sure, I would agree, just from my own direct experience. I, as have many people, have seen very strange orbs of light and other kinds of transient phenomena in and around the crop circles. When these things have appeared - especially close up to me - there is a kind of feeling and also a physical appearance, as if something is tuning in, rather than flying in from Out There somewhere, but more like something is tuning in and doing what they need to do. So, I think the inter-dimensional answer is probably a lot more accurate than nuts and bolts flying saucers coming from other planets.

My own experience tells me that we are dealing with some kind of inter-dimensional communication system that is highly beneficial to the human species, if only we would be open rather than dumbed down by trivia, celebrity rubbish, gossip, politics. This thing (crop circle makers) seems to behave in a really simple, really clean, really pure, kind of childlike way. And adults get excited about walking into a field of wheat. It does seem to create that kind of effect because you are walking up those tramlines, you're walking into a space that is potentially utterly mysterious. And you have to be completely open to everything.

I think the most important facet of this crop circle phenomenon is well beyond the physical.”

 

2008 Solar System, Avebury Manor
near Avebury, Wiltshire, Reported July 15, 2008


Solar system crop formation reported on July 15, 2008,
in wheat at Avebury Manor facing the ancient double stone circle
of Avebury. Aerial image © 2008 by Steve Alexander.


July 15, 2008 wheat solar system at Avebury Manor depicted
in diagram © 2008 by Andreas Mueller, Kornkreise-Forschung.de.

Computer projection forward in time of Earth and solar system on December 21, 2012,
the end date of the Mayan calendar. Computer graphic by Heavens-Above.com.


Aerial image and title overlay © 2008 by Peter Sorensen.

[ Editor's Note:  The Mayan Long Count Calendar carved in a large stone circle is estimated to have begun on August 13, 3114 B. C., near the start of the Egyptian Old Kingdom. Mayans believe that we are currently in the Fifth Great Cycle, which will end in some kind of catastrophic event and a new First Sun begin on December 23, 2012. That would be 5,126 years after the Mayan Long Count calendar began. Popular literature speculates the end of the Mayan calendar coincides with Earth crossing the ecliptic plane of the Milky Way galaxy in 2012 and that what might be coming is a catastrophic astronomical event. Crop formation researchers also wonder if perhaps whatever is coming has cycled before in our galaxy and is known to the crop circle makers who have been leaving countdown “clocks” to December 2012 in crop formations for several years.]

Andreas Mueller:  “The crop circle formation at Avebury Manor seems to depict our solar-system (not in proportional scale) on December 21, (+/-) 2012 - the highly debated end of the Mayan calendar (or at least one of the most prominent interpretations of that date). Whatever this means and who-or-whatever created this crop circle, I do not know - but the basic message of it is quite clear.”

 

Australian Scientist:  “Avebury Manor of July 15, 2008 reminds us that the Mayan Long Count calendar will end on December 23, 2012, by showing precise orbital locations for all nine planets of our solar system on that date, plus an accurate elliptical orbit for Pluto.

The 5125/6-year Mayan Long count calendar will end on December 22-23, 2012. Given the long period of time which it represents, all nine planets of our solar system need to be shown in order to mark its end uniquely. Such a clever astronomical diagram was shown at Avebury Manor on July 15, 2008. All nine planets appear there precisely as they will be located in space four and one-half years from now on December 23, 2012, with one exception.

Thus, the outermost planet Pluto has been drawn in this new crop picture somewhat further to the right (or closer to Neptune) than should be the case. Yet, Pluto still seems to be located correctly relative to the crossover of its highly elliptical orbit with the orbit of Neptune.


Graphic sequence © 2008 by Australian scientist.



 

December 21 or 23, 2012?

Australian Scientist:  “Many people believe that the Mayan Long Count calendar will end precisely on December 21, 2012. Yet a new crop picture from Avebury Manor shows planetary positions that match more closely December 23-24 than December 21. To be specific, Venus and Mercury will lie almost directly in line with the Sun on December 21, whereas on December 23-24, Mercury will lie a little ahead of Venus.

Since we are obtaining such new information directly from the circle makers, I thought it more advisable to report the astronomical date they are actually showing us, rather than any preconceived date of our own. For example, modern scholars remain uncertain by two full days, whether the Long Count calendar began on August 11, 12 or 13, 3114 BC. (See HERE   or  HERE ). Crop swirls within its central “Sun” perhaps tell us which way the planets are moving!


Graphic illustration © 2008 by Australian scientist. Also see:  http://www.cropcircle.tv/archives/2008/aveburymanor/aveburymanor2008a.html

 

Bright Venus in Transit Across Face
of our Sun On June 6, 2012

“Before on June 23, 2008, in Secklendorf in Germany, a crop formation showed near-future orbital locations for Earth, Venus and Mars on an upcoming date of June 6, 2012 (Venus transit), as well as orbital locations for Earth and Venus on an upcoming date of December 21, 2012, end of the Mayan Long Count calendar.”


Diagram of June 23, 2008, crop formation in Secklendorf,
Germany, © 2008 by Andreas Mueller.

“The center shows at first glance a six-pointed star in three dimensions, overlaid upon a large triangle or pyramid. What could such a strange combination of symbols be trying to tell us? That star, in one sense, might have a definite astronomical meaning as ‘bright Venus’in transit across the face of our Sun in a Venus transit on June 6, 2012.

The six-pointed star in three dimensions that has been drawn over that central triangle seems to represent bright Venus, which will next be in solar transit across the face of our Sun on June 6, 2012.

The largest outer circle at the bottom represents Earth, as a constant (if moving) frame of reference over four years from 2008 to 2012

Finally, the small outer circle at lower left shows where Mars will be located on June 6, 2012, relative to Earth (largest outer ball) and Venus in solar transit (six-pointed star covering the triangular Sun).

“Yet in another sense, it may have a separate geometrical meaning, that could help to explain why two great pyramidal monuments were built on Earth in a certain shape long ago. Thus, if one were to draw a flat circle around the four horizontal points of that star with radius h, where h is the height of either of its two vertical points, one would find a ratio for circumference-to-height of C / h = 2 pi. For purposes of comparison, the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan shows a ratio of square-circumference-to-height of 12.560, nearly equal to 4 pi = 12.566. Similarly, the Great Pyramid in Egypt shows a ratio of 6.280, nearly equal to 2 pi = 6.283 [See: http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_7.htm].  Could those crop artists have interacted with local humans on Earth at many times in our distant past?

Apart from its geometrical symbols near the center, the vast majority of symbols in that new crop picture from Secklendorf, Germany, refer to modern astronomical phenomena. I therefore used the NASA Near Earth Objects website and its orbital diagrams to solve for their meanings.

To be concise, the large central triangle or pyramid shown above seems to represents our Sun in an astronomical sense. Its clever double meaning might be for the famous Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan, Mexico, which has been shown several times before in crops (See: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2001/uk2001ar.shtml#pic2).”


Pyramid and sun formation reported June 21, 2001, summer solstice,
in the East Field, Wiltshire, England. Aerial image © 2001 by Lucy Pringle.

 

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More Information:

For further information about worldwide crop formations, please see Earthfiles Archived reports (partial list below) and my book, Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles, in the Earthfiles Shop.

572 posted on 05/01/2009 5:19:29 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

WEBSITES REF’D AT LINDA’S SITE:

Websites:

English Crop Circles, Current and Archived: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com

Silent Circle Information Center, Calne, U.K.: http://www.silentcircle.co.uk/Avebury.23.04.09.html

Andreas Mueller Crop Circle Science: http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/

Mayan Calendar: http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/calnote.htm

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~izapa/CS-MM-Chap.%206.htm

Projection of December 21, 2012 Solar System: http://www.heaven-above.com/

Lucy Pringle: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/

“Isaac” and CARET Document: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

American Crop Circles, ICCRA: http://www.cropcirclenews.com/

Canadian Crop Circles, CCCRN: http://www.cccrn.ca/

Dutch Crop Circles, DCCA: http://www.dcca.nl

http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com

http://www.x-cosmos.it

http://www.bertjanssen.nl

http://www.swirlednews.com

http://www.heramagazine.net

http://www.CropCircleAnswers.com


573 posted on 05/01/2009 5:20:50 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

LINDA MH C2C:

9 foot skeletons found buried in some of the mounds in the UK WITH EGYPTIAN ARTIFACTS.


574 posted on 05/01/2009 5:38:25 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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"[QX NOTE: Which means--it was impossible to have been formed by drunks with ropes and boards]"

HA!!
Guess that rules out swamp gas *theories* too, huh. :o)

While personally I find the entire crop circle matter real and quite strange?
I cannot --for the life of me-- fathom what in the world the meaning of and/or behind the phenomenon is, either.

Regardless how weird &/or off the wall something is, I've always been able to dream up a variety of possible scenarios to explain 'em.
Except this.

Thanks for the ping, Quix.
Always thought provoking. :^)

575 posted on 05/01/2009 7:19:37 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Landru

Thanks.

I try.

Please keep in mind . . . a reportedly well connected FREEPER insists they are computer fun from tech’s operating advanced satellite weapons systems.

I can believe that . . . at least that some are.

Orbs have been seen flitting about when they’ve been formed, too.

Who knows.


576 posted on 05/01/2009 8:26:39 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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"Please keep in mind . . . a reportedly well connected FREEPER insists they are computer fun from tech’s operating advanced satellite weapons systems. I can believe that...at least that some are."

HA!!
Well, Quix?
As plausible as anything else I've heard offered to explain 'em. ;^)

"Orbs have been seen flitting about when they’ve been formed, too. Who knows."

Why Quix, I'm surprised.
zerO knows!
zerO knows everything. ;^)

577 posted on 05/01/2009 8:43:25 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Landru

I think . . . he knows next to nothing about anything unless it’s treason . . .


578 posted on 05/01/2009 8:59:25 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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HA!!

You think right my friend, as usual. ;^)

579 posted on 05/01/2009 9:22:08 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Landru

Thanks Tons for your kind words.

Have a blessed weekend.


580 posted on 05/01/2009 9:31:01 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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