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To: tpanther

tpanther, your notion that the only people incapable of recognizing the “bias” of peer review are “evo-cultists” is a very dangerous misconception being spread by adherents (both Real and Fake) to Young-Earth Creationism.

This misconception is being eagerly fanned on you-tube and web-2.0 media by “Poes”, leftist liberals who see an inability of mainline Christians to comprehend the difference between cosmology and rational science as a form of Intellectual(as opposed to faith-based) wedge issue.

The General “Poe” line of attack is to craft a postulate which, on the surface, sound reasonable to people conservative, mainline Christian cosmology, but which contain built-in, fundamental logical fallacies which are immediately obvious to individuals educated in a particular intellectual discipline. The Poe then broadcasts his postulate among the faithful, who, eager to read “Scientific evidence that supports their faith”, quickly latch on to it, praise it, and often claim it as their own material.

This is where the real subterfuge begins. The Poe then circulates the related postulate, and the eager faithful support of it, among those of the intellectual discipline for which is particular postulate was crafted to appeal, for it is these people who are his real intended audience.

The result is predictable- The Poes Educated audience (of undetermined faith and cosmological background) are lead to the conclusion that people of faith, and specifically, all people of Christian Religious Faith are “obviously” of diminished intellectual capacity due to their inability to see the “obvious” flaw. Usually, the Poe’s responsibility for creating the postulate, and the flaw itself, is conveniently “forgotten” in this follow-up discussion.

From a scientific and academic perspective, the comparisons drawn between Intelligent Design and Alchemy, Geocentricism, and even Astrology are absolutely apt, and the only people who do not understand this are those who have never been taught to comprehend the difference between Scientific Rationalism and Spiritual Cosmology.

Should young earth creationism be taught in school? ABSOLUTELY! Teach it in an introduction to philosophy/cosmology course. Teach it for what it is - a notion of how human beings fit in and relate to God and His Universe. That’s great, it’s honest and it’s fair.

The Hostility towards Young-Earth Creationism by Scientific journals has nothing to do with Truth or Cosmology, and everything to do with the fact that it is simply not a rational science. Until our children are taught to explicitly comprehend the difference, their, and your, confusion on the matter will be used by intellectually dishonest wolves to cast a mere lack of education as a fundamental fallacy in flaw in all you believe in and hold dear. The very terms “Evilution” and “evo-cultists” are meant as emotional bait, and all to often, the Traps are very real.

Even if you, personally, cannot comprehend them.


72 posted on 01/20/2009 4:21:00 PM PST by Ozymandi
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To: Ozymandi; metmom

LOL....oh yeah, it’s dangerous all right!

Why you think I’m concerned about the liberal kool-aid drinkers spreading their endless lies is way beyond me though!

You’re correct, I see how they try to destroy Sara Palin for instance.

I’ve seen the hollyweirdo Matt Damon bash Sarah Palin because he clings to the misconceptions about wanting to know if she believes humans wandered the earth with humans, and this alone is the basis on how he judges her ability to govern.

I’ve seen the scientists with legitimate scientific ideas about ID/creationism that have been castigated as flat earthers and knuckle draggers..

See, they do this regardless of the science though, which is the ENTIRE point.

To pretend that godless secualr humanist whack-job liberals with endless God hang-ups haven’t hijacked evolution or that as it’s presented today it’s somehow objective theory, is frankly laughable!

When a movie like Expelled comes out, the kool-aid drinkers won’t examine the facts or even bother listening to Dawkins (and his ilk) own words! Nope, their first and only response is to circle the wagons, regurgitate the talking points about us knuckle-draggers and squeal about “theocracy and inquisition, and burnings at the stake and the age of enlightenment replaced by the dark ages again”.

I’ve been really clear, I don’t have a problem with evolution when it’s presented as theory, but obviously this isn’t the case and it has ALREADY been hijacked by the very NEA type godless liberals you’re worried about!

When it comes to origins, ID, creationism, it can be presented without the YEC ideas you speak of, people riding dinosaurs, large dinosaurs on the ark and every flying purple spaghetti monster they can dream up!

Or with it, it doesn’t matter to me, but I’m a proponent of science determined in the science setting, not the godless liberal ideology setting, and not the court setting.

There’s millions of excuses to obfuscate the glory of God and millions of reasons to think science has to somehow remain pure only when it’s godless.

I’m just going to continue telling everyone most conservatives and people of faith are above these tactics.

And what I’m talking about is origins taught that challenges evolution/origins with intelligent design, that purposeless design in science is theory, as it shoud be taught.

There’s simply no reason to teach children that science has to be not onbly sterile of God but that it neded not be taught with a godless ideology and that science is on the path to disprove Him or doesn’t need Him.

This is the cruelest liberal result...driving students away from science unlike any other study, be it math or whatever...

fortunately kids are being home-schooled and private schooled and in otherwise cases not allowed to be socialized to godlessness, and lo and behold science thrives!


75 posted on 01/20/2009 5:39:04 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Ozymandi; tpanther

Welcome to FR.


83 posted on 01/20/2009 7:16:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ozymandi; Coyoteman
Very well stated.
84 posted on 01/20/2009 7:19:45 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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