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To: null and void

To that I would say that a real Satan offered Jesus a real kingdom. Ghosts and ufos are false/deceptive spirits.


38 posted on 01/15/2009 12:21:54 PM PST by Augustinian monk ("Can't we try bombing them with kindness?")
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To: Augustinian monk

OK. Martin Luther, inkpots


40 posted on 01/15/2009 12:29:43 PM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama, now that you've caught the car, what are you going to do with it, hmmm?)
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To: Augustinian monk

I guess what I’m really trying to say is don’t get complacent.


42 posted on 01/15/2009 12:33:51 PM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama, now that you've caught the car, what are you going to do with it, hmmm?)
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To: Augustinian monk; null and void; TaraP

You said — “To that I would say that a real Satan offered Jesus a real kingdom. Ghosts and ufos are false/deceptive spirits.”

Yes, it was a real kingdom in that it exists in the real world with real people and real buildings. Even with that being true, it’s still a false kingdom in that it is built on lies and deception (from Satan and the Antichrist), even though it’s “real” in the sense of being in the physical world.

So, something that comes from false and deceptive spirits — doesn’t mean they are not *real beings* — they are. They are real beings, doing real things in a false and deceptive way, in order to get people to “believe a lie” and not the truth of God.

Now, in regards to your statement up above — “My personal opinion is that these types of demonic apparitions could never happen to the elect. (ghosts, ufos, etc). I hope my theory is true : >0”

Here is where I think you’re wrong in that regard. To say that the elect could never see these things is to say that they don’t really happen in “real life” — but rather, only in the “head” of the deceived. If that were the case, then it could be considered to be what some psychologists say is “mass hysteria” — in that something is only “seen” in someone’s head, as part of this “mass hysteria” that happens with a group of people. If you’re not part of this mass hysteria (i.e., not carried away with it), you can be standing right next to someone and you won’t see what they are seeing — because it’s “just in their head”.

However, I don’t think it’s “just in their head” — but something that is happening in the “physical universe”. And if that is so, then whatever happens in the physical universe can be seen by whomever is there to see it — no matter whether they are of the elect or are a Satanist.

So, the question is, “Are these things happening in the physical universe that we live in?” I think that question should be obvious, that it certainly is.

Just because something is from an evil being and just because one may be “of the elect” doesn’t mean they can’t see what the evil being is doing. For a “real world” example, if you’ve seen the video of the evil Islamic terrorist cutting off the heads of innocent victims — you’ll know that because you’re looking at what an evil being is doing — does not mean you won’t be able to see it (if it’s based on deception and lies and comes from false spirits [which is certainly true of the evil Islamic terrorists...]).

If one is worried that bad things might happen to “one of the elect” from these evil beings, I would say, “that depends”. It depends on the protection of God over that individual. Nothing happens without God’s permission, anyway. God may allow certain things to happen, just like Jesus said to Peter that Satan was granted permission to test him. Those sorts of things may happen. However, I believe that God does protect His own, and nothing happens to them without His express will or permissive will (in either case). Pray for your protection and God will grant your protection (people have to be reminded, though, that a lot of this also depends upon the person in honoring God and following His will, too...).


47 posted on 01/15/2009 1:01:39 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Augustinian monk

I’ve read folks who insist that

ALL

UFO CRAFT

are merely materializations of demons.

I don’t believe that. It’s conceivable that some are.

Certainly some have seemed to be alive and shape shift as a creature.

However, my relative did not work around critters that were craft. He worked around tangible craft that were engineered, designed, built—though some say—grew.


70 posted on 01/15/2009 1:32:36 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Augustinian monk; null and void
"To that I would say that a real Satan offered Jesus a real kingdom. Ghosts and ufos are false/deceptive spirits."

What you seem to have missed is that Satan is the original "deceptive spirit" and what he offered, and what he could have delivered are two different things. He is the inventor of the lie.

147 posted on 01/15/2009 3:08:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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