Posted on 01/15/2009 11:34:55 AM PST by TaraP
Perhaps you’ve missed the obsessive FR custom on the part of some . . .
NO FAINT WISP OF A FOGGY
HINT
OF AN EXCUSE
TO THROW ROCKS at an earnest Biblical servant of God
is to be missed.
>> However, I still see little evidence that you’ve really researched it much at all—particularly to sufficient depth and breadth to reasonably support having seemingly formed such rigid opinions.
What’s to research? How does one research the connection between aliens from possibly non-existant vistations, and fallen angels (whose existence cannot be scientifically verified in this life)? I’m not sure exactly what research you’d like me to do here.
I’ve simply said that I’ve seen nothing whatsoever to convince me that the two are connected in any way. That isn’t a “rigid opinion” ... that’s a fact. I haven’t seen anything convincing, or even thought provoking, on the subject.
Please, show me the volumes of research showing alien and fallen angels are one-and-the-same.
SnakeDoc
That said, wasn't it just conjecture on his part as to how a near pass-by might have occurred and how it might explain certain Biblical and historical occurrences?
It's been a month, and the mp3 is long deleted, but my recollection is that he was pretty certain of what he said.
Yikes, that one made my head explode. 8^)
All I know is that I don't believe in any that stuff; bigfoot, aliens, Nessie, the danger of fluoridated water, or Atlantis. But I listen to Coast to Coast whenever I'm driving late at night and I think George Noory's guests are fascinating. I guess I'm just amazed that such people can take themselves seriously, and I don't see their lunacy as being as seditious as the 9/11 Truthers.
I've even watched quite a few episodes of UFO Files and MonsterQuest on the History Channel. I don't believe a lick of it is true, but for some reason the possibilities are intriguing.
I forget how many hours of material . . . 6 or 12 or 20 something . . . some such
on GUY MALONE’S DVD’S
available, last I checked, for any size donation . . . at
I consider the material of the highest quality and quite conclusive.
And it’s not the only such available. Others can offer other refs.
Guy’s experts were/are top flight with quite solid professional credentials.
Haven’t seen?
Seems to me . . . my impression from your assertions . . .
that you haven’t looked beyond your nose.
If you really don’t know why they fear his name, you’re in as much trouble as the aliens.
They don't drive 13.7 light years just to be turned away by some Scripture-spouting zealot. This will only make them really angry and we do not need aliens to be p*ssed at us right now. Things are bad enough as it is.
When you come that distance, you expect results.
Humor them. Go for a little ride in their spacecraft. Listen to what they have to say. Space travel is no fun and a little inter-galactic hospitality costs nothing.
>> I assure you, very active. Very active, indeed. Evidently there’s more than 3,000,000 IIRC—IN THE USA ALONE—abductees—as a conservative solidly researched guesstimate.
First, this assumes a connection between fallen angels and aliens — which cannot be established.
Second, this assumes that those claiming alien abductions aren’t simply whackjobs, publicity-seekers, or confused (though well-intentioned) individuals — which also cannot be fully established.
Third — that number is ridiculous. It represents is fully 1% of the population of the U.S. People in the U.S. do not claim alien abduction at the rate of 1 in 100 people.
SnakeDoc
Interestingly enough, the Enoch Scroll was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran.
And, IIRC, the prophecy of Enoch, like certain parts of Daniel’s prophecy, was said to be “bound up” until the last days.
>> Seems to me . . . my impression from your assertions . . . that you haven’t looked beyond your nose.
Your “impression” of me couldn’t be less important.
SnakeDoc
You asked — “How do you interpret Ezekiel’s “chariot” ????”
I don’t..., really. I just leave it as it is, saying I just don’t know about it. I can take the facts as they are, but I can’t go beyond it without getting into things that I just don’t know about. It’s really detailed, though. You gotta say that.
When you see how Jesus walked in to the room where the disciples were (after His resurrection) and also you see where Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration, and you consider that believers will be raptured (i.e., “taken up” to be with the Lord in the air), and when you consider the fact of the “dead” being raised first (”re-formed” again with their bodies, at that time) — there’s a lot that we don’t know about the “mechanics” of how things happen and what they look like and so on. But, we do know that these things happened and will happen. We just don’t have enough “experience” with it all to make solid pronouncements about what is actually going on.
I’ve included the Ezekiel account here for others to read...
Ezekiel 1 (full chapter)
1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the River Chebar, that the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
2 On the fifth day of the month, which was in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity,
3 the word of the Lord came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was upon him there.
4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5 Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man.
6 Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings.
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze.
8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings.
9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
11 Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies.
12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went.
18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them.
19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.
23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.
24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings.
25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around.
28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.
Or, to put it in another way:
They'll gladly believe the lie, and scoff at the truth.
You said — “... until the last days.”
Are we there yet.... :-)
If you really don’t know why they fear his name, you’re in as much trouble as the aliens.
INDEED!
Thanks for your input, this us awesome.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe that it is any other way. - We and the "heavenly hosts"\angels are the only created beings there are.
You have such a wonderful capacity and tendency to be
wholesale WRONG.
The research was done by a major polling organization with excellent expert input as to the design of that part of their standard questionnaire for a regular session of their polling.
The questions were not per se overtly about abductions. They were much more clever than that.
They compiled quite a list of questions which dealt with phenomenon that was more or less exclusive . . . certainly close to exclusive and some clearly exclusively typical of abductees from a vast wealth of file data regarding abductees.
They wanted to know what the percentages would be for such folks in the national population.
IIRC, the percentages of the national population most probably to have experienced abductions was 3-4%
MORE THAN 1%! MUCH MORE THAN 1!
The research is solid.
And it has been affirmed by some whistle blowing operatives from some of such black ops who have asserted that the
3-4% figures are far too LOW compared to the actual reality.
Evidently, you REALLY ought to get out more.
At least your fingers should.
And, Enoch’s book was mentioned in the Bible a number of times as valid and authoritative while not considered Canon.
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