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To: Swordmaker

Your list is horribly out of date - As of January, 2007, the Resilient Low-Cost Storage Initiative is discontinued. We thank our partners for their participation in Resilient Low-Cost Storage Initiative.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/deploy/availability/htdocs/lowcoststorage.html

No macs have lights out management.
It is impossible to us a mac in a virtualized environment.
OSx server doesn’t have nearly as much centralized management support as other operating system do.

And I do know UNIX - use it on a daily basis. Linux powers my home router - Solaris is used for a variety of tasks - Have used Linux since it came on floppies so your throwing around POSIX certification / UNIX certification won’t have any effect on my because I know exactly how worthless that cert is.

Linux - not being certified shows this to be true.

You also forgot to mention that eBureau recevied that array at nearly 55% off of list price with free integration support and free 24/7 support from Apple.

How is 2k8 buggier than OSx server?


61 posted on 01/09/2009 7:18:09 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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You also forgot to mention that eBureau recevied that array at nearly 55% off of list price with free integration support and free 24/7 support from Apple.

Where did you get that 55% off Apple's list price factoid? Can you provide a definitive link to show that. It certainly isn't Googleable ("eBureau +xServe"). What I have seen is that the Apple xServes cost eBureau about 55% less than going with a competitor, not that Apple discounted their products. The free integration support and 24/7 tech support are expected at this level of IT.

I think you are making this up as you respond.

But, the point is not what eBureau paid but that they are using xServes in quantity.

And I do know UNIX - use it on a daily basis. Linux powers my home router - Solaris is used for a variety of tasks - Have used Linux since it came on floppies so your throwing around POSIX certification / UNIX certification won’t have any effect on my because I know exactly how worthless that cert is.

More proof you really don't know what you are talking about. Linux is not UNIX. Big deal that your home router uses Linux... lots of them do. Mine uses UNIX.

No macs have lights out management.

That's rich. In every post you demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge about things Apple and Mac. You certainly could have fooled me... I though I was using Apple OS x Lights Out Management at several of my clients' businesses.


Apple Support Document: What is Lights Out Management?
Last Modified: December 08, 2006
Article: TA24506
Old Article: 304870
Products Affected: Xserve

Lights Out Management (LOM) is Apple's implementation of the remote monitoring and management protocol Intelligent Platform Management Interface (IPMI) developed by Intel.

The addition of Lights Out Management to Xserve provides for the monitoring of over 100 sensors that measure voltage, temperature, fan speeds, etc. Using Server Monitor, one can get a fairly complete picture of the health of an Xserve.

In addition to monitoring LOM can also be used to control some functions of an Xserve. Xserve can be shutdown or restarted from a remote location via the implementation of LOM in Server Monitor. Even if the Xserve is in an unresponsive state, one should be able to gain access via LOM.

The LOM process is controlled by a dedicated processor. This processor works independently of the two Xeon processors in the Xserve, leaving them to focus on server tasks.

The LOM processor is accessed through one or both of the built-in Ethernet ports. Each built-in Ethernet port has two MAC addresses assigned: One is dedicated to the LOM processor, the other is used by Mac OS X Server. This means there are two MAC addresses accessible by Mac OS X Server, and two dedicated to the LOM processor.

During the setup process, IP addresses are assigned to one and/or both MAC addresses reserved for the LOM processor. These IP addresses used by the server and the IP addresses used by the LOM processor must be different. Additionally, an account is created to access the LOM processor. This account is used to access LOM features and data but is not used in any other part of the system.

To manage LOM access (IP addresses and account information), use Server Monitor. This is the only location, outside of the setup assistant, where this information can be accessed. The LOM account will not show up in Workgroup Manager, nor will the LOM interface be visible in System Preferences. For more information on managing LOM access, see Server Monitor Help.


It is impossible to us a mac in a virtualized environment.

Uh, you're wrong about that, too.


Virtual Leopard Server, Uncaged: Virtualized Mac OS X Leopard Server on VMware Fusion 2.0

As many of you may recall, at Macworld in January, we gave you a preview of Mac OS X Leopard Server installing and running as a virtual machine on Mac OS X.

Well, in honor of Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference, currently in full-swing in San Francisco, the VMware Fusion team is excited to announce that Mac OS X Leopard Server will be our 61st supported virtualized operating system, and will be available in VMware Fusion 2.0’s next beta (get the current beta here).

By way of background, all of this is a result of changes Mac OS X Leopard Server’s license agreement, which now allows users to run multiple copies of Mac OS X Server on a single Apple computer.

Virtual Leopard Server is a huge leap forward for Mac server administrators, developers, and more, and we’re truly excited to bring this to the Mac community, in VMware Fusion 2.0, which will be a free upgrade for all VMware Fusion 1.x customers.

And as has lately become our tradition, we’ve put together a short highlight video to get you started, along with more details below.


OSx server doesn’t have nearly as much centralized management support as other operating system do.

It has every bit as much centralized management support as Windows, UNIX and LINUX does... because it can run all of those if needed... plus it has the OS X Client Management software:


Client Management. Command and Control

Mac OS X Server provides advanced tools for centralized management of users, groups, and computers in your organization.

Centralized management.
Workgroup Manager simplifies system administration by providing centralized directory-based management of users, groups, and computers across your organization. For example, you can create standardized desktop configurations, set preferences, and establish password policies, as well as control access to hardware, software, and network resources.

For security-conscious environments, you can use Workgroup Manager to prevent users from burning media, mounting external hard drives, or running unauthorized applications. It also works with portable computers ensuring settings, configurations, and policies are maintained even when users are disconnected from the network.

Software update server.
By deploying a software update server, administrators can control how and when client computers download software, enabling access to approved software updates only. As the administrator, you now have time to evaluate and test software updates before deploying them throughout your organization.

At the same time, having a local caching software update server streamlines network use, saving the costs of multiple downloads of the same update and reducing unnecessary bandwidth consumption. By eliminating the need for each Mac OS X system to engage in multiple separate downloads for each software update, bandwidth charges (which add up quickly in large organizations) are reduced.

Starting up with NetBoot.
The NetBoot service in Mac OS X Server enables multiple Mac systems to boot from a single server-based disk image, instead of from their internal hard drive. This allows you to create a standard configuration and use it on all of the desktop systems in a department or classroom — or host multiple images customized for different workgroups. You can even create server configurations and run all of your servers from one image. Updating the disk image on the NetBoot server updates all of these systems automatically the next time they restart. In addition, you can copy a directory server configuration to all clients using the same system image. For security-conscious organizations, NetBoot permits Mac computers to boot “disklessly” — without having to read from or write to the computer’s local drive.

Software installations with NetInstall.
NetInstall gives administrators control over the software installed in their organizations. Perfect for upgrading all your Mac clients to a standard or customized installation of Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, NetInstall provides an easy method for standardized deployment. By creating server-based disk images with custom configurations, you can easily upgrade or restore Mac clients anywhere on your network — saving time and eliminating the expense of distributing software on DVD or FireWire drives.

System imaging.
The new System Image Utility leverages the power of Automator, giving you an intuitive interface for creating NetBoot and NetInstall disk images. Choose from a preloaded library of actions that allows you to specify settings, additional software packages, and installation procedures — then save them as a workflow that builds the installation image.


Is there anything else you think you know about Macs and Apple you'd like to share? I'd be glad to educate you on those as well. Ignorance is curable. ;^)>

62 posted on 01/09/2009 10:50:24 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: DevNet
And I do know UNIX - use it on a daily basis.

What flavor?

70 posted on 01/10/2009 7:47:02 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: DevNet
No macs have lights out management.

This bit itself is really funny. How long has it been since you've been around Macs, the 1990s? Next you'll tell us OS X doesn't have protected memory or SMP capability.

And I do know UNIX - use it on a daily basis. Linux powers my home router

LOL! So do I. Well, every once in a while I have to run the web-based configuration utility like everybody else. Not a good reference unless you are actually a router firmware hacker. Tell me you're one of those responsible for DD-WRT, and I'll be impressed.

I know exactly how worthless that cert is.

You're thinking small-game. Currently, besides Apple, the available certified UNIX systems are often run on big iron. What Apple did was put its own OS in the same league as AIX and HP-UX. People who run these systems need to know their software will work, period. If I want to replace an old critical monster Solaris box, I need to know that the software that was on it will work with the new system.

76 posted on 01/10/2009 4:19:42 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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