Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
The quest continues.
The Framers relied on “The Law of Nations” in selecting the term “natural born.” It is not a statutory matter, “natural” means something that is self-evident. The meaning of “natural born” was so obvious to the framers that they saw no need to define it in the Constitution. They were EDUCATED people, you see.
If you feel the need for a more specific understanding of the term, the 1866 deliberations in Congress regarding the 14th Amendment would be a good place to start.
So you all keep saying. Given that then I have you doubt that you can come up with some quotes from Madison or Franklin or one of the leaders of the Constitutional convention showing their definition of natural born. Or perhaps some writings from them showing they supported the concept of three classes of citizenship. Or something indicating that they disagreed with all English legal precedent that said that children born in Britain were citizens from birth regarless of parental citizenship? Surely you can do that, can't you?
The meaning of “natural born” was so obvious to the framers that they saw no need to define it in the Constitution. They were EDUCATED people, you see.
Or perhaps they were not as...imaginative in their definition of the term as you and your friends are.
If you feel the need for a more specific understanding of the term, the 1866 deliberations in Congress regarding the 14th Amendment would be a good place to start.
Actually a better place to start would be the writings of the founders or perhaps some Supreme Court decisions that define natural born citizen in the same odd manner as you do. How about it?
From an earlier post (my words) trying to capture 'the essence of the moment' for Ed Hale.
excerpt:
I know that Ed is a goofball (for lack of a better term) and to some here, he comes across as a backwoods hick, but I think his intentions are noble. He's an amateur that sees a flicker of history in the making, and somehow, he of all people, ended up behind the wheel. He's dropped er' into second gear and stomped on the pedal. Ya' might say that- 'Ed's cookin' with gas.' Being a passenger is quite a different matter. ;o)
I realize Ed should be placed on probation for some of the things he's done, like; posting that- Obama had aids, only to be dressed down shortly thereafter by his audience, and having to pull the salacious material just a mere 3 hours after posting the same.
Tomorrow night should provide the “verdict” about Ed for a lot of us.
I understand how people feel about Ed. Personally, if he boasted that his ‘miners’ could get the evidence in hand, as quickly as Monday, I’d say that was a foolish thing to say. I won’t be holding my breath. On the other hand, I can see something like a FOIA request taking up to, the legal limit (sometimes) to get a party to cooperate. Just depends on the circumstances. If there’s no evidence offered up Monday, it could mean it’s not out there, or not coming at all... and then again, it could mean that it’s taking more time than Ed imagined. Lets face it: Ed’s on a pretty short leash with just about everyone that’s given him the benefit of the doubt.
If Berg, as some have said, has the divorce decree, then perhaps he also has the same evidence as what Ed Hale claims to be obtaining at the POE city/state. At the least, (hopefully) it will be used to it’s full advantage by Berg. Eventually, it should see the light of day. Whether it’s Berg or Hale that goes public with it, matters not to me.
Ed said on the chat board at Plains Radio that a top ‘Obama Official’ called him and he (Ed) will have him on as guest.
I think he said Wednesday.
Try to get more info- stay tuned.
Exactly. A very short leash indeed. He’s talking about tomorrow like it’s a done deal—we’ll see. I’ve got him pegged as a pathological attention-seeker. I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.
99.9% of us have known that this is/was a hoax all along. Hopefully you will figure that out by tomorrow night.
If it were 99.9%, RJ, this thread wouldn’t have had hundreds of comments leading up to Ed’s big “announcement” on Friday night. I try to give people every opportunity to prove themselves and also try to avoid cynicism whenever possible. Obama DOES bring out the cynic in me, however, and that’s why I hold out hope that we can find documentary proof of his ineligibility somehow. The natural born angle works for me but there are many other people who need to have proof of ineligibility that’s even more obvious than B.O.’s admission of British citizenship at birth.
No there was no zip code listed at that time. If you google or metacrawler the zip code for that area now then it states it is the most expensive zip code in all of HI.
I trust you noticed how poorly written and full of speculation and innuendo that housing article is? They ran with the address listed in the birth announcement without too much investigation. However they made a BIG mistake when they said that Madelyn and Stanley lived in apt 110 1427 Alexander St in 1963. We have a Freeper who has said that when he attended UH at Manoa in 1960-61 he knew Madelyn and Stanley and they were living at 2277 Kamehameha Ave. In Jr’s own words about his father’s visit in 1971 he wrote:” that they took short walking tours past the private landmarks of a family...where he was shown my grandparents’ first house in Hawaii, before the one on University Ave., a house I had never known.” (p.39) When the paper mentions the apt on Alexander St. it dates the time when Ann and Jr returned to HI from WA state. Ann and Jr lived in that apartment in early 1963 which her parents had rented for her until she moved in with her parents at the house on Kamehameha Ave when she registered at UH at Manoa for spring 1963 classes. Jr didn’t remember the house on Kamehameha Ave because he was too young.
The house from the birth announcement address was built in 1949 and the small cottage in the back yard was built in 1958.
The address in the birth announcement is 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.(I wish these names were easier to spell!)
Air travel was still very expensive back in ‘61, maybe
Stanley Ann came by boat?
The time frame of the construction of the cottage could support the theory that the Obamas actually did live (in the cottage) at the birth announcement address. Just saying...
Your post #1312 noted and thank you for your reply. I would inform for others, the housing article that I indicated was on "Barack Obamba's Boyhood Homes" via Google.
I would suppose that the journalist is compelled to deliver what is more like a chamber of commerce introduction for tourists. Few journalists in Honolulu would dare to disturb the "dream". I would say that it does give some idea of the residences- if lived in.
Since we are on the subject of radio, I heard on Bill Cunningham's show tonight that on "the third hour" which just after 12 midnight EST, he will have on Phillip J Berg, the lawyer talking about his writ of certiorari concerning the President-elect's eligibility. Bill is on 325 affiliates and WLW also Premier Radio.
Bill emphatically said "it ain't gonna happen" with regard to the success of Berg's lawsuit. Still, he is putting the man on- that counts for a lot in my book. I will be listening all ears in just about 25 minutes from now.
Correction and no disrespect. I should have printed “Barack Obama’s Boyhood Homes” via GOOGLE.
If the Berg interview on radio is interesting, could you post something about it - on this thread or another, and ping me?
Sorry to bother you - but others would probably want to know about it as well.
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