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Nice red herring. There IS no 'consensus' at this point, there is a general belief that there is *something* or *someone* making an appearance in our atmosphere, on the ground, in the near regions of space around our planet, and your problem is that your abysmal talents of observation and analysis cannot even begin to compare with the abilities and skills of professional pilots and astronauts. In a hypothetical court proceeding, their statements as to what they have observed would be given far greater credence than yours, because they've been professionally trained, you're just a whining contrarian.
You call consensus a red herring, then immediately talk about consensus, of a "general belief", and attack my credentials when you haven't a clue as to what I am.

There is a vast difference between 'consensus', meaning that (for example) everyone agrees that there is a specific ignoramus in Tennessee that is damned and determined to deny, defy and debunk any and all suggestions of extraterrestrial manifestations in, on and around our Earth. That would be 'consensus'. A 'general belief' would be that everyone agrees that there are any number of intellectually challenged individuals all across the 50 states that prefer to 'deny, deny, deny'. That is the difference, despite your sputtering to the contrary.

That's a hallmark of liberal thinking. (Take your previous posts, change your subject from flying saucers to global warming and read it back to us, please).

This has nothing to do with global warming, and invoking yet another red herring does nothing for your shaky position.

But anyway, pilots have been known to mistake Venus for something else, same as us ground dwellers.

Why of COURSE, it's that sneaky Planet Venus again, those pilots must have missed the memo about Venus showing up at all times day and night, hiding behind clouds, just waiting to pop out and go "BOO!" at any moment.

You're channeling Phil Klass aren't you? LOL

[irrelevant brain teasers from Readers Digest, et al snipped]

Demerit round: you left Edgar Mitchell's name off your deities list.

So what? You probably consider him insane, demented, or a liar, right?

A "thinking" man would not dismiss out of hand alternate possibilities using the weak minded argument of "no proof, it doesn't exist", and pull those blinders ever tighter over their eyes. The fact is, it is you who exhibits the classic liberal mindset in that you refuse to acknowledge or consider anything that doesn't fit into your liberal orthodoxy of denial. It is conservatives who traditionally keep an open mind about ALL things, not accepting blanket statements or mindlessly swallowing blind statements of disbelief from those who haven't got a clue, like you.
In your warped little world, unless you too saw an apple fall from a tree to the ground, Sir Isaac Newton would be one of those 'hoaxers' or 'carnival barkers' you were mewling about last night.
Typical projection.

LOL, "typical projection", why not save yourself the bother and just put your hands over your ears and scream "I know you are, but what am I?"

You are so utterly predictable that clocks can could be set, based on your responses.

However did you get the idea that I ~~(or anyone else)~~ was closed minded to the possibility of alien life in such a vast Universe? Just because I personally am not sympathetic to the idea that aliens are here practicing proctology, barnstorming, and farming methods doesn't mean life doesn't exist elsewhere. It only means that space aliens coming to Earth are the Freudian and Jungian constructs of the kook fringe.

Your agitation and pathetic vitriol directed at those who are have actually witnessed this type of phenomena (when you, a self described 'ground dweller' have probably not), is all that is needed to conclude that your mind is closed except to the narrow construct which you just pecked out suggesting that life might 'exist' elsewhere. But nowhere in this thread have your sub topics of 'proctology, barnstorming and farming methods' even been discussed.

A normal and sane person would probably be getting concerned at this point about your repeated references to proctology.

Personally, I don't think we need to hear about your family tree. LOL

*ding ding*

See ya later Sparkplug.

[PING to DieHard, figured you might enjoy some cheap entertainment, lol]

> [PING to DieHard, figured you might enjoy some cheap entertainment, lol]

Cheers for that, mate — it was amusing indeed!

I haven’t seen a UFO myself, but I have no difficulty believing that they exist and that what many folk have seen are, indeed, visitors from another place flying in advanced spacecraft. I believe it would be the heights of arrogance for humanfolk on Earth to believe that we are the only — or indeed the most — intelligent beings in this or any other Universe or dimension. It is just too unlikely to be true.

The natural world does not contain the sum-and-total of all that exists. It comprises a mere subset.

I have seen a ghost before, and I have seen an Angel before, and I have felt the spirit of Tane (the Maori equivalent of The Great Spirit) and Tu (the Maori War spirit) in New Zealand’s forests. And nobody will persuade me that I haven’t because I have.

I have seen somebody rendered nearly helplessly insane by a Makutu (Maori curse) and I wear a suitably-blessed Tiki to help protect me from that. Superstitious nonsense? Maybe, but I have plenty of enemies because of what I do, and the last thing I need is for one of them to get me into their power by casting a Makutu in my direction.

The South Pacific was a very old, very dark and very evil and godless place — and in many ways it still is. Long before Europeans came here unspeakable evils were done on a daily basis, including cannibalism and worse, and the supernatural world was very palpable and very powerful.

There is most certainly a supernatural world: the Bible says so, and as a devout and convinced Christian I know better than to argue against the Bible. For example, the witch of Endor brought up the Spirit of the prophet Samuel — that is a matter of fact not a matter of conjecture. We are told not to meddle in this world: that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

People who only believe in what they have experienced in the natural world are welcome to live their lives that way, just so long as they do not ignorantly claim that things they cannot experience in the natural world do not exist. That is an unwarranted and intolerable arrogance.

Finally, what really sucks is when people argue that you are “liberal” just because you disagree with their viewpoint. That’s namecalling and about the weakest form of argument available to mankind. That, and the dodgy references to proctology, have me concerned...