Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel?

The Jerusalem Post ^ | 10 Dec 2008 | ETGAR LEFKOVITS

[BGHater]

Flood ping.

[Liberty1970]

A deluge that swept the Land of Israel more than 7,000 years ago, submerging six Neolithic villages opposite the Carmel Mountains, is the origin of the biblical flood of Noah, a British marine archeologist said Tuesday.

Yeah, that explains the worldwide nature of global deluge legends.

[DonaldC]

It is interesting that every major religion around the world says something of a flood event.

[Liberty1970]

"The bottom line," he concluded, "is that overall evidence of [a] world submerged in flood does not exist."

The evidence for such an event is overwhelming, he just has his eyes tightly closed to it. The stupid thing is, both evolutionists and creationists agree the world has been 100% flooded. It's just that creationists believe it happened twice, once at creation and again at the Flood. (evolutionists believe in a 100% water covered earth during the pre-Cambrian, surprisingly - making a mockery of many of their anti-flood criticisms.)

http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/3007 has some of the evidence for a global flood.

[I'm ALL Right!]

Kingsley, a self-declared atheist, said he had begun studying the origins of Noah's flood five years ago as a result of his interest into "how mythologies came into existence," as well as a desire to connect the biblical story with global warming.

A G E N D A ....in triplicate.

[Young Werther]

The water hole at Pebble Beach is the remains of Noah's Flud!

[mlo]

"What's more convincing scientifically, a flood in the Black Sea, so far away from Israel and the fantasy of a supposed ark marooned on the slopes of Mount Ararat, or six submerged Neolithic villages smack-bang in the middle of the Bible Land?"

Gee, he might have a point if the story actually originated in Israel. But it didn't. It's a variation of the story of Gilgamesh that the Jews picked up when they lived in Babylon.

[Coleus]

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[RightWhale]

submerged Neolithic villages smack-bang in the middle of the Bible Land

While we imagine we know where the Ark ended up, where was it built? Where did Noah live before the Flood?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks BGHater and Coleus.

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[Squawk 8888]

I’ll have to admit I’m sketchy on the OT and the history of the Jews, but didn’t they originate in or near Mesopotamia (I’ve read speculation that the Garden of Eden is in what is now Iraq) and migrate to Israel much later?

[mlo]

I’ll have to admit I’m sketchy on the OT and the history of the Jews, but didn’t they originate in or near Mesopotamia (I’ve read speculation that the Garden of Eden is in what is now Iraq) and migrate to Israel much later?

When Israel was conquered by Nebuchadnezzer in the 6th century BC, he deported the Jews to Babylon. They were assimlated into that culture and were generally well educated people. When the Persians conquered Babylon the Jews were allowed to return to Israel.

When they came back, they then had the Torah, much of which was influenced by the Babylonian culture. So Genesis places Eden near Babylon, and Noah is a variation on the Babylonian story of Gilgamesh.

[null and void]

Here's a test.

Find some New Orleans Katrina survivors.

Ask them to describe what happened.

If none of them says everything was flooded, I'll give you a dollar.

[Squawk 8888]

Thanks for the info. I knew about the story of Gilgamesh and that it probably referred to the same event as Genesis, but never was clear on how the Jews got from Eden to Israel.

[happygrl]

Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C.
Best evidence I’ve read for a world-wide flood, written by two British secular scientists, with thousands of footnotes citing academic articles.

http://www.amazon.com/Cataclysm-Compelling-Evidence-Cosmic-Catastrophe/dp/1879181428/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229018900&sr=1-1

[Liberty1970]

It would be rather more relevant if they insisted that the tops of all the buildings, even the skyscrapers, were flooded. Genesis 7:19.

[null and void]

Yeah. I didn't expect you'd have the guts to try it, nor the imagination to envision how a even a couple generations of an oral tradition that everything was covered by water would come to be told as everything was covered by water, everything.

Wide eyed "Even the mountains, Grandpa?"

"Everything!"...

[Liberty1970]

Stories can grow in the telling. But it also sounds like you are not allowing yourself to consider the possibility of a global cataclysm. If you automatically ‘reinterpret’ the documentary evidence to say what you want it to say, then you never really gave it a chance in the first place.

Merry Christmas,
Liberty1970