Posted on 12/05/2008 6:33:15 AM PST by maineman
I thought we should have a link to post any and all updates.
Yes, that program is a replay of last night’s program with Freeper Joe Thunder.
That is something we need to be careful about assuming. It was not 'proven', as it was an examination of an image of a document, not the actual document. Polarik(sic) also hasn't proven he is who he claims to be. He admits his name is not really Polarik and he hasn't given anyone documented proof he is an 'expert', he hasn't even produced the affidavit he claims he signed. Nor have has his charges been examined on the source document in a court. It is not 'proven' just 'alleged'. For all we know, he is a guy who works at Kinkos (thus assumes he is an expert) who made all this up like all the bogus structural engineers on truther sites claiming fire doesn't melt steel. We need to examine our evidence and experts as much as we do Obama's to make sure we have an air tight argument.
The bottom line is that the Electoral College will meet 12.15.08 and elect Obama by a 2:1 margin over McCain and on 1.20.09 Chief Justice Roberts will deliver the Oath of Office to Obama.
***Then stop your CoLB troll posting until 1.20.09.
And if the question of Obama’s birth were an issue, it would have been raised by the Clintons during the Dem. Primaries or by the RNC or Sarah Palin during the General Election.
***That is an invalid argument from silence. You assume the Clintons had more resources than all of us freepers over these many months. Not a very good assumption. You also assume the RNC would lift its finger to do the right thing. Another bad assumption.
I believe 38 states would have to agree so I don't see that happening.
There doesn't need to be an amendment, Article 1 charges congress with defining the standards of citizenship. All they would need to do is pass a law or an update to Title 8 that would fill in whatever citizenship gap is found.
BINGO!
The Founders demanded 100% allegiance, at birth, of U S citizens for eligibility to be the President.
YOU, can call those unqualified per the Constitution, 'second class citizens,' until you are blue in the face, yet unqualified they remain.
I'll say it in plain English: yes, the Founders discriminated against those citizens that had allegiances to foreign nations. Today, millions upon millions of U S citizens cannot be President, because of this specific clause.
An amendment to the Constitution can change this clause.
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted.
call me stupid, but I don’t know what this is “a writ of certiorari”.
I have to believe the truth will come out and absolutely believe our Supreme Court Justices will uphold our Constitution. I can not entertain the thought that they will not do what they were sworn to do.
Doesn’t a certain number of states have to agree to change the Constitution?
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“This particular one is DOA unless he goes back through the process with a better case.”
I was afraid that would happen. Why, if for no other reason than to end most speculation, did they not pursue this? I guess those of us with doubts about Mr. Obama’s qualifications just don’t count. We are law abiding and we don’t riot, loot, and pilllage because we don’t get our questions or heartburn settled. Therefore, we get ignored. Seems in this world one has to either be extremely rich or extremely violent to get heard. Those of us that respect law and order are treated with contempt.
Heavenly days....what is so difficult about simply wanting Mr. Obama to submit a vault BC to show that he is indeed, without question, constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? If he won’t produce, why won’t the SCOTUS compel him to?
Why doesn’t every citizen have standing to ask this question and get a straight answer?
This deeply depresses me. Not that Mr. Obama hasn’t been tossed, but that question is left unanswered.
That is something we need to be careful about assuming.
***It’s not an assumption. I examined the evidence and came to a conclusion. Polarik’s 160 page report was just the latest analysis that generates devastating point after point.
It was not ‘proven’, as it was an examination of an image of a document, not the actual document.
***True enough, using ‘proven’ as a fact in a court of law. But that’s just because it has not yet been examined by the courts, rather than it not being compelling enough evidence to call it “proof”.
Polarik(sic) also hasn’t proven he is who he claims to be.
***Ron Polarik was invited to an Interview on TV, so who was the masked man that showed up in his place? Your line of inquiry here is ridiculous.
He admits his name is not really Polarik and he hasn’t given anyone documented proof he is an ‘expert’, he hasn’t even produced the affidavit he claims he signed.
***We’re all from Missouri on that item: SHOW US.
Nor have has his charges been examined on the source document in a court. It is not ‘proven’ just ‘alleged’.
***Is it “proven” that a rock accelerates due to gravity at the rate of mg^2, even before a court of law says so?
For all we know, he is a guy who works at Kinkos (thus assumes he is an expert) who made all this up like all the bogus structural engineers on truther sites claiming fire doesn’t melt steel.
***You need to amend your statement to “for all I know” because Polarik has proven his mettle here on FR. You haven’t.
We need to examine our evidence and experts as much as we do Obama’s to make sure we have an air tight argument.
***I agree. And I try my best to do so. You, however, have just delivered false accusations about a fellow freeper and you’ve made several logical fallacies in your libelous statements.
Do you know how soon til California deals with Alan’s case?
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/orders-12-5-08.pdf
It’s over. Unless they update the PDF later today, the case will not be heard.
As I stated, this isn’t a Constitutional change. Article II just states that the President must be a natural born citizen, but it doesn’t define it. Article I grants congress the authorization to define what is a citizen (thus we have laws like Title 8 that defines citizenship in all sorts of circumstances.)
Queen Nancy Pelosi could simply call an emergency session of congress and quickly pass a law stating anyone born of one US citizen parent, no matter where they are born, age of the parent, nor residency requirements of the parent, is deemed a citizen by birth. I doubt enough on our side would try to stop it (too many yellow politicians) and I would bet President Bush would sign.
No Constitutional change required, simply an update to the US Title Codes defining the parameters for what is a citizen.
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