Posted on 10/24/2008 7:54:01 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
Overview:
There are lawsuits being filed in multiple states. If Obama has nothing to hide, then his behavior is foolish both politically and cash-wise [legal fees] -- it would have been easy to end speculation by simply showing his birth certificate. Among the first to challenge his qualification to be president were the PUMAs. The most well reported lawsuit is by Berg, a Hillary supporter. One of the recent shockers is that Obama's Kenyan grandmother reportedly witnessed him born in Kenya. Another shocker is that Obama was, at least technically, Islamic while in Indonesia. There is also a flimsy paper trail regarding his visa and adoption in Indonesia. What documents were shown on the internet are discredited. And Factcheck.org is not a reliable source, having ties with Annenberg.
The political aspect: BO’s stonewalling makes the Birth Certificate Question alone reason enough for someone to conclude that voting for him would be irresponsible. As vigilant citizens, we are each required to vote Constitutionally. If we are not convinced that he qualifies Constitutionally, then we cannot vote for him. It’s an ‘honor thing’.
Dem: Obama’s grandma confirms Kenyan birth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113780/posts
[Berg] has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator’s paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.”
[related thread]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113828/posts
Birth Certificate Legal Fight [Berg]
Due to Procedure, Obama and DNC Admit all Allegations
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2111080/posts
“According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.”
WND also ‘ax’ing — Obama ‘admits’ Kenyan birth?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671
Rush Brings Up Obama’s Birth Certificate (Text)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113641/posts
NRO Examines Birth Certificate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113569/posts
Stop the ACLU researchers examine the birth certificate debate:
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/24/operation-aloha-obama%e2%80%9d-yields-up-truth-about-barack-obama/
[Is Frank Marshall Davis the real father? And why not end this debate by showing the copy from the vault?]
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2040486/posts
FEC joins call to throw out suit against Obama (Berg’s challenge of BHO’s citizenship)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113134/posts
Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112732/posts
Marquis V Reed - WA Sec Of State Wants Proof Of Obama’s US Citizenship
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112693/posts
Obama’s Timeline [Bio Chronology]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112616/posts
The Justiciability of Eligibility: May Courts Decide Who Can Be President?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112733/posts
Berg on Mark Davis show [birth certificate]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112601/posts
Obama Birth Certificate Suit Reach Hawaiian Supreme Court
[Request filed]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113166/posts
Joining Birth Certificate Lawsuits, ANOTHER motion is filed; this time in Utah
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2106516/posts
Obama’s birth stirs legal action in Washington
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2105807/posts
In Depth Youtube on Birth Certificate[six minutes]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC54PXA0jG0&feature=related
[analysis of an anonymous COLB buff: All the information in the youtube video is accurate! Jr was adopted by Lolo Soetoro when Lolo married his mother, Ann, in 1966. At that time Indonesia was a police state and the only way jr could have gone to school was if he was an Indonesian citizen. Ann and jr followed Lolo to Indonesia in 1967 where he was enrolled in school by his adopted name(Barry Soetoro) and the religion of his step-father. (Islam) There are no records of Barry Soetoro legally changing his name back to Barack (pronounced Bear ick by his real father) if that ever was his name! There is also no record of him going before a judge for naturalization which he would have needed to have done because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship!]
The Saga of the Missing Birth Certificate carries on...the plot thickens
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2104124/posts
American Thinker —
This could be the game changer (updated) [10 minute youtube about BO’s birth cert.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2103980/posts?page=1
OBAMA BORN IN KENYA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103299/posts
“I have received information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.”
Berg Response in Oppostion to Obama / DNC protective Order
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102105/posts
[Can’t anything about this man be straight forward? Even his birth certificate ...]
DEAD BY ELECTION DAY (from SLATE, not incendiary; what if president-elect cannot serve?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2104279/posts
[Birth Certificate debate]
Ineligibility for the Presidency (Obama’s Birth Certificate)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2103327/posts?page=7
[Constitutional considerations — well thought out]
Key word: birthcertificate
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/birthcertificate/index
Ping
Suppose he DOESN’T have a legitimate birth certificate - he couldn’t produce it.
Suppose he HAD a legitimate birth certificate. At this point, until tjhe courts make an issue of it (the media never will) there is no incentive for him to produce it. Few people consider it an issue - apparently. But then what?
If he ISN’T an American citizen, does Hillary waltze in and take over as the great uniter and get elected at the last minute and by default?
We are better off contesting him on the issues and beating him on the issues and later going after him for fraud if he is not a citizen.
I PRAY this is not a TRAP for us......I don’t think it is but the Democrats are EVIL AND VILE!
My guess is that he was born in Hawaii but that there is something else very embarrassing on that certificate. A birth name, maybe.
But it’s all just speculation, isn’t it? that’s what people do when the facts are hidden - they speculate.
There would be rat chaos at this point if he’s that bad off. McCain would be the only solid leader to turn to.
His stonewalling tactics only make him look bad. Even if everything’s legit at this point, so long as McCain/Palin stay out of it, Obama’s clearly bringing this on himself.
I cannot see this being a trap because it is only getting play in the conservative blogosphere. I haven't heard one iota about this on the tube.
Exactly! I think those who are saying he was born outside the country are not thinking right. You couldn’t hide that very long. There is something on the certificate like “Barack Muhammed Hussein Obama,” or some other name completely, that’s what this is about.
There are some discussion threads linked above that get into that. FRegards ....
What else could be embarrassing? His middle name is “Hussein” for crying out loud. If that doesn’t faze at least 40% of voters, nothing will. I still believe McCain/Palin win 54-46.
I think the tie with Annenberg means relatively little, if anything. What makes factcheck less than reliable is the obvious bias of those who work there.
Actaully, it’s his job to convince the voter that he’s qualified. Factcheck.org [Annenberg] doesn’t count. So he’s zip, nadda, Zero on the most fundamental part of running. I don’t think it’s ‘fringe’ to question his factcheck.org creds.
While I won’t vote for Obama for any reasons, it has nothing to do with this. And if I were to discount an organization due to their “connections”, I would discount every organization. I sure as hell am not defending Obama, but the photos on FactCheck are pretty damned compelling. And if we continue to cherry pick our facts we get nowhere. Is it possible that he wasn’t born in the U.S.? Sure. If I were advising Obama (I’m a former atty and judge) would I have him turn over any more information than he already has? No. Why? Because he doesn’t have to and it just burns up the energy of the other side. Also, if you give up information every time you are sued, well, people are encouraged to sue you.
And I also really don’t care what someone’s religion is. That would be like condemning me, as a Christian, because of the crusades or claiming I am a pedophile because I am a catholic. While, of necessity, when we first get to know people we will apply the characteristics of their “group” or “culture” so we can interact, in order to succeed we then need to adjust based upon the actions of that individual.
So far, the jumping up and down and pointing at Obama as “whatever” approach just hasn’t worked. If it has, please point me in the direction of some real analysis by someone objective to prove me wrong.
So what have we done? Nothing except finger pointing on issues about which no one cares. The McCain campaign is nothing more than a dart with a dartboard. And as much as we would like people to think like us, the majority doesn’t any more than the majority doesn’t think like liberals. But if we hope to persuade, this approach we have chosen just isn’t going to work.
Thanks for the great info!
You might want to add last nights interview with Berg on Savage Nation.
http://www.talkradionetwork.com/premiumstream?dispid=304&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD0zNDI2JnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzA0JnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT0xMA==
The interview is timely and has a good overview with no commercials.
Please ignore the usuall Savage Dribble.
J.K.
I PRAY this is not a TRAP for us......I don’t think it is but the Democrats are EVIL AND VILE!
Last I knew it was: Demonrat vs. Demonrat
Do you know something I don’t ?
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