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To: Swordmaker

I will debate you on the shroud any day, antwhere as long as you agree to support your statements with sources.


6 posted on 10/06/2008 8:09:42 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton; grey_whiskers; NYer; MHGinTN; shroudie
I will debate you on the shroud any day, antwhere as long as you agree to support your statements with sources.

Already you start with ad hominem intimations that I do not provide sources for my evidence. I have always provided sources. I think that almost every member of the Shroud Ping list would back me up on that. Unlike you, I assume someone in a discussion will provide links to source materials.

Frankly, Soliton, it is my experience in several debates with you, that it is you who seldom provides sources. When you do, yours tend to be limited to skeptic magazine articles and books by non-scientists, such as Joe Nickell, an ex-English Lit teacher and a failed amateur magician, or scientists working completely outside of their fields of expertise, such as Schafersman, a Geologist, who thinks he is qualified to critique peer-reviewed, published research done by recognized experts in blood chemistry. From experience with your debating techniques in the past, I find that often your sources actually state something exactly opposite to what you claim they prove.

You don't accept my peer-reviewed sources, published in scientific journals, written by experts in their fields,claiming that the articles were somehow published by "slipping past" the peer-review process. And, given the usual nature of your links, I will not accept your non-peer-reviewed sources written by amateur, dilettante, skeptics working outside of their fields of expertise, published in skeptic magazines and books, who, like you, ignore or denigrate research that falsifies their positions.

I also will not accept your insulting manner and ad hominem approach to debate. Your response to any evidence is to attack the scientists who have produced the research. When that fails, you proceed to insult the Freepers who are attempting to have a discussion. Ridicule, slander, and libel are not proper debating techniques. You even proudly stated that some people may not like your debating style. Count me as one of them.

I have no intention of again dancing to your tune for your amusement. The last time you got multiple posts deleted by the moderator and eventually were told to leave the thread. because of your insults and slurs to fellow Freepers.

Quite frankly, Soliton, I am tired of you and your attitude. So why should I bother?

7 posted on 10/06/2008 9:01:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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