Posted on 08/24/2008 10:29:14 AM PDT by Progresso
On Meet the Press this morning... MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?" what would you tell him?
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...
Wow, she has big cajones, a really impressive feat for her. To try to pretend that she’s an “ardent, practicing Catholic” and that the Catholic church is undecided on the issue of abortion. My my goodness.
I’m pure protestant, but I do know that the Catholic church’s stand on abortion has been made crystal clear to me, to the world, to Ms. Pelosi.
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Did Augustine really say that?
Is it just me, or is Brokaw asking better questions than he used to?
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so like everything else, SanFran Nan doesn’t know.
When asked this question, McCain gave a one word answer: “Conception.” On the other hand, how many words did Nancy use? How many words did Obama use?
Liberals don’t have strong convictions regarding anything, or else they wouldn’t find the need to be so damn wordy all the time.
Pelosi’s performance was disgusting. Defending Obama on the grounds that the Catholic CHurch has never settled on when life begins is beyond disingenuous. Brokaw was surprised, and said something to the effect that the Catholic Church has been very clear in its position. Pelosi’s response? That the position is less than thirty years old, the debate within the church continues, and if the Catholic church can’t decide, who are we to reach definitive conclusions. I was offended by her willful ignorance and deliberate falsification of church teaching. If she disagrees with it or believes it to be wrong, it’s a free country and she can believe what she wants. That said, it really is digusting that pro-abortionist politicians pretend to be Catholic and either ridicule, ignore or distort the Catholic church’s well known and clear teachings.
Why do the bishops abdicate their teaching responsiblities when self-proclaimed and self-serving Catholics distort or fabricate church teachings? Do these folks really think we are that stupid? My goodnoess, how did the Church fail so badly?
Maybe she’s trying to figure out if she’s really alive ...
I am tired of this nonsense. An individual life begins even before conception. God knows us even before we’re formed in the womb. These people that would excuse murder as some sort of wonderful public service make me shake my head in disbelief. How sorry for them. They’re in an even worse state than the murdered.
http://augustinepoodle.blogspot.com/
Dr. Hymie Gordon (Mayo Clinic): “By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth (Harvard University Medical School): “It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”
Dr. Alfred Bongioanni (University of Pennsylvania): “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.”
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, “the Father of Modern Genetics” (University of Descartes, Paris): “To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion . . . it is plain experimental evidence.”
Rick Warren: At what point does a baby get human rights in your view?
Sen. Barack Obama: Well, I think that whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.
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It is the stated article of faith of the Roman Catholic Church that life begins at conception, so Augustine’s musings have practically nothing to do with it.
Obama should be asked when he thinks his two daughters lives began.
http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/
I’d guess it is related to the “quickening”.
There were not the tools then that we have know
and I’m reasonable sure present knowledge would have affected his belief.
Obviously Ms. Pelosi has never read Humanae Vitae...AND she attempts to obfuscate by using some words from Augustine completely OUT of the historical context of this CLEAR teaching. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
In a nutshell, she is lying.
I am supporting the GOP candidate running against her:
Dana Walsh
http://www.danawalshforcongress.com
I think Brokaw, or anyone whose business was the news, would at least be honest enough to pose the question that the Pastor asked instead of something he made up.
“I’m pure protestant, but I do know that the Catholic church’s stand on abortion has been made crystal clear to me, to the world, to Ms. Pelosi.”
And it has been crystal clear for centuries.
It just goes to show you how the leftist liberals will ignore science when it doesn’t give them the answer they want.
When it does, they go on and on about ‘the scientific process’ or the ‘scientific proof’ of something. When biological science or genetics show that it is human life from the moment sperm and egg fuse and have unique DNA, it is not a fully formed person, bubt it is human life. It can be nothing else. We are not fish first, we are not polywogs second, not rats third, and then if mom lets us out, then people. Don’t work like that.
Just keep asking them. They hang themselves with their own words. SHe is going to have so much regret someday for her rationalizations.
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