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To: Jo Nuvark
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you just jumped on me and didn't actually read anything I wrote. It's sad, really, and precisely what Mr. Postelnik is hoping to capitalize on. NO ONE is seeking to censor Mr. Postelnik. On the contrary, please, read his work. If you don't want to, perhaps read what other christians have to say about it on christianforums.com. Mr. Postelnik's claims of harassment are bogus. He's just saying that to garner sympathy.
65 posted on 06/17/2008 2:56:36 PM PDT by PhillyChief
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Now they're dragging their goons over here. It's all quite something. I posted the piece to the Christian Forums earth sciences forum. I was hoping to get enough people to counter Dawkins who posted my column on his front page. I didn't know that they had different forums, many populated by non-believers, etc (there's even a special forum dedicated for them there) and that they run the earth science forum, attacking creationists on every thread.

Same with another creationism forum, the evc (evolution vs creationism) forum etc. They stay on there 24/7 and malign everyone with a different viewpoint and pretty soon they're the only ones left.

Yet they'll never discuss the substance of the column. What's especially funny in my case is that even though I'm a strong young earth creationist I didn't get into the evolution debate at all in the column. I specifically said that everything in it applies even if you believe in evolution, some of it more so. The trillions of simultaneous happenings that are needed to sustain life and the way that the universe works in cohesiveness, without which there would be no life, should give people on both sides of the creationism vs evolutionism debate the ability to recognize that there's a conscious Creator running the show. That was clear to anyone who actually read the column and who doesn't have an infantile, one track mind in which everything is about evolution even columns that are very specific about the fact that they're not dealing with the subject.

I have dealt with the fallacies of evolution, which are many, here http://creationistsearcher.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/yomin-postelnik-debates-with-atheists/ but, again, they're irrelevant to the column.

The way they stalk the forums and malign, the way I've got PhillyChief researching everywhere I post or wherever someone posts about this and going there and writing his trash is just one very small example of how obsessed these goons are. The others talk about and link to them daily and they're everywhere, many multiple times a day. I've stopped reading them except for late at night but it's just amazing the level of hatred and vengeance these goons have.

66 posted on 06/18/2008 12:29:38 AM PDT by Yomin Postelnik (Vote the War Hero, Not the Incompetent Noob - Don't Sit Out - Our Security's At Stake)
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To: PhillyChief; Yomin Postelnik; Das Outsider; cmsgop; NonValueAdded; 2ndDivisionVet; Soliton; ...

I have read Mr. Potelnik’s work. However, in
response, I will use a more authoritative source.

“WHERE were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

OR WHO enclosed the sea with doors when, bursting forth, it went out from the womb; when I made a cloud its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, and I placed boundaries on it and set a bolt and doors, and I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther; and here shall your proud waves stop’?

HAVE YOU EVER in your life commanded the morning, and caused the dawn to know its place, that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? It is changed like clay under the seal; and they stand forth like a garment. From the wicked their light is withheld, and the uplifted arm is broken.

HAVE YOU ENTERED into the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?

HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD the expanse of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great!

HAVE YOU ENTERED the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, which I have reserved for the time of distress, for the day of war and battle?

WHERE is the way that the light is divided, or the east wind scattered on the earth?

WHO has cleft a channel for the flood, or a way for the thunderbolt, to bring rain on a land without people, on a desert without a man in it, to satisfy the waste and desolate land and to make the seeds of grass to sprout?

HAS THE RAIN A FATHER? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? From whose womb has come the ice? And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth? Water becomes hard like stone, And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.

CAN YOU BIND the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?

CAN YOU LEAD forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites?

DO YOU KNOW the ordinances of the heavens, or fix their rule over the earth?

CAN YOU LIFT up your voice to the clouds, So that an abundance of water will cover you?

CAN YOU SEND forth lightnings that they may go and say to you, ‘Here we are’?

WHO HAS PUT WISDOM in the innermost being Or given understanding to the mind?

WHO CAN COUNT the clouds by wisdom, Or tip the water jars of the heavens, when the dust hardens into a mass And the clods stick together?

CAN YOU HUNT the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in their dens and lie in wait in their lair?

WHO PREPARES for the raven its nourishment when its young cry to God and wander about without food?

JOB 38:4-41


70 posted on 06/18/2008 10:07:24 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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