Totally innocuous analogy - and I suspect you know it - but perhaps think we're to dumb to know it...
I'll see your mountain lion and raise you one giraffe
Posted on 05/04/2008 10:31:21 AM PDT by jazusamo
In a breach of the local code of ethics -- and possibly the law -- 32 are killed after straying onto a neighbor's land.
FAIRPLAY, COLO. -- This is not a place where buffalo are welcome to roam.
When 32 bison lumbered across a fence that separated their owners' vast, wind-swept expanse of land from a neighboring ranch in March, they ended up dead.
Some fell where they were shot. Others scattered, galloping for miles before they succumbed in the snow.
They were victims, contend the bison's owners, of a murder plot hatched by the neighbor, a Texan frustrated by what he called the repeated trespassing of the herd onto his land.
Law enforcement officials are closemouthed, saying only that they are investigating.
At issue, said Park County Undersheriff Monte Gore, is whether the culprit violated Colorado's century-old open-range law, which says livestock may go pretty much where they please.
Throughout the West, many states still adhere to the open-range principle, a throwback to the 1800s that says it is not a rancher's responsibility to keep livestock fenced in -- it's everyone else's job to keep them out.
If you don't want someone else's cow on your land, the law goes, build a fence. If the cow crosses your fence, you can lock it up until its owner retrieves it, and you can sue the owner for damages. But you can't kill it, said Rick Wahlert, Colorado brand commissioner.
In Colorado's high country, transplanted city dwellers often don't understand, Wahlert said.
"They ask why should they have to fence their property?" he said. "I say, 'OK, fine. You lived in town. Say you had a swimming pool. Did you let the neighbor kids run through? How did you keep them out? You put up a fence. It's the same concept.' "
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
In Colorado you can’t just shoot an animal on your property, even mountain lions and bears, even if they are attacking your pet. I think a justified shooting requires defense of attack against a person or protection of livestock. This excludes the legal hunting seasons in areas open to hunting.
I seriously doubt these bison were attacking the shooters.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
—thanks for the ping—
I suspect it did only because the bison decided not to go through it. There is a big ranch in WY along Hwy 58. It is fenced, but the rancher also feeds his herd. The fence would be a slight inconvenience should a bison decide to cross.
And also BTW, george76, there might be a need in a Dept. to have at least some personnel to review and practice interviews and interrogations (techniques, differences between the two, etc.).
This is vital for reestablishing the natural prairie grasses that, in turn, keep the top soil for being blown off - like in the “Dust Bowl” fiasco.
Yes, they can build bison tough fences - but certainly not enough to contain a herd of buffalo that roams hundreds of acres - especially if they are going to keep the grasses growing.
That being said - I wonder if a couple good sheep/cow dogs couldn't discourage the big fellas from grazing on the neighbors land? Or, the carpet bagger could always go back to the city...
He reminds me of the city ‘flatlanders’ that move to Maine, build a fancy house next to a dairy farm and then sue the farmer because “it smells” = libRAt idiots
This is vital for reestablishing the natural prairie grasses that, in turn, keep the top soil for being blown off - like in the “Dust Bowl” fiasco.
Yes, they can build bison tough fences - but certainly not enough to contain a herd of buffalo that roams hundreds of acres - especially if they are going to keep the grasses growing.
That being said - I wonder if a couple good sheep/cow dogs couldn't discourage the big fellas from grazing on the neighbors land? Or, the carpet bagger could always go back to the city...
He reminds me of the city ‘flatlanders’ that move to Maine, build a fancy house next to a dairy farm and then sue the farmer because “it smells” = libRAt idiots
Totally innocuous analogy - and I suspect you know it - but perhaps think we're to dumb to know it...
I'll see your mountain lion and raise you one giraffe
I love this one! Make a great bumper sticker...
(couldn't reply to poster on this as something screwy is going on with the FR system - had to go back to one of my own posts to reconnect)
In Maine, we need to give new coming flatlanders an advice sheet that includes, "...if you buy and build next door to a dairy farm, do not call us if it stinks."
I replied to this ping once and my post disappeared, so I’ll try again:
I wonder if this Mr. Hawn is one of those “environmentalists” that is opposed to ranchers’ livestock grazing on public land? Perhaps that is why some of these were shot on public land?
I also agree that these shooters aren’t hunters, they’re idiots, not in the same class as amy hunter I know.
Killing these (even privately owned) animals on public land will most likely cost them dearly.
I hope it costs them dearly and hope it can be proved Hawn hired or asked them to do it, he deserves to be nailed also.
The posting of comments is really messed up today for some reason, I keep having to hit refresh to make posts reappear.
Yep, the dairy farm thing would be good in CA, OR and WA too. People have been complaining for years after they move close to one.
Posting is a challenge today. :-)
If you are going to start raising giraffes I might as well get out of the apple business .
I do agree with you on bison being a “force of nature”. However, I still did not see anything about any damage being done to this guy’s property. The fact that he got other “permission” to kill the bison is quite premeditated, the guy made no attempt to contact local authorities for help,
Thanks, I just saw that and it looks like things are back in the pink. :)
We see that a newbie city person has moved in when these signs show up : ‘ Has anyone seen my little dog muffin ?’
Jeff Hawn, senior vice president of operations at BMC ?
BMC employs 543 people in Austin.
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2002/01/21/daily48.html
The owner of 32 bison slain about 85 miles southwest of Denver filed a lawsuit, alleging owners of neighboring property hired 14 SHOOTERS to kill the animals.
Longtime Colorado rancher Monte Downare filed the lawsuit in Park County District Court Tuesday against Austin, Texas, businessman Jeff Hawn and his Denver lawyer, Stephen Csajaghy.
Downare claims “outrageous conduct” that has caused them emotional distress. No criminal charges have been filed. YET.
Hawn, who has identified himself as a major shareholder in Wateredge Properties
Of the 32 bison killed, only eight were shot on the Hawn property, according to the suite.
The rest were killed on property not owned or controlled by Hawn and his Wateredge Properties.
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