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To: Squantos
One gun that has always made me wonder why this POS terrorist choose it was Yasir Arafats subgun ...a PM -63. He kept that at arms length at all times.

Remember the Godfather movie advice about keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer? I suspect Yasir the Egyptian was more concerned about an upward mobility try by one of his underlings, or a *black flag* job from his East German/Stasi control and boyfriend than he was about a serious try by the Israelis. And since Yasir spent much of his time during indoors office hours, the report and muzzle blast of the PM63 wouldn't be quite as hard on his ears.

I attended the foreign materials intel groups weapons courses at Aberdeen and a few others st Springfield VA, Camp Harvey NC etc many times and never got to shoot or handle this weapon. Not even sure they had one in their armories. You ever lay hands on the PM-63 aka Pistolet Maszynowy wz.63 ?

Yep. We had a pair of 'em at Bad Tölz for the foreign weapons fam courses, since some of the Russian SMLM observers authorized to view NATO operations in USAREUR carried the things in their diplomatic bags. The .32 auto Czech vz. 61 *Škorpion* machinepistol was another one those fellers favored, as did terrorist *Carlos the Jackal.* Though jacketed .32 ACP rounds aren't terribly great for stopping charging bears, a 10 or 20-round magazine's worth on full auto worked pretty well in those days before Kevlar undies were common, the muzzle flash and noise at night [or inside a car] was minimal, and a screw-on silencer was available. Most of the European cops back then were carrying .32ACP/7,65 Browning pocket pistols, so ammo was available for the .32; the PM-63 RAK would have been a better pick for locales where 9mm Makarov ammo was available, and more controlable than an APS Stechkin...but an awful lot of the PM-63s floating around in the world, particularly in Africa, are actually Chinese-made Type 82 copies.

If any of those courses you took were taught by *FSTC Warrant Officers* we may have crossed paths....

4,961 posted on 08/25/2008 8:50:28 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Not sure if the instructors at Springfield or Point Harvey were active duty....we were in a don’t ask mode with exceptions of the weapons and munitions, vehicles, radio and gear we were being taught.....

At Aberdeen instructors were in uniform without specific tabs or other ID shy of standard BDU’s and we didn’t care. Weapons I enjoyed and excelled with on the ranges in those courses were the PG-7 series and the SVD/FPK’s..... The FPK especially . That rifle w/o a scope was dead on accurate and instructors kept handing me more ammo and giving me more targets across the long part of the aberdeen range.

The PG-7’s big eye opener was a reversal of everything I had been taught on windage.......:o) Took me one round to go WTF and the rest were easy when the sighting principals were taught. Real quiet, tolerable on that big open ranges and so loud in urban and canyons I thought the damn thing had went off on my shoulder vs downrange !

Big fan of the FPK / SVD series.....

Stay safe Archy !


4,962 posted on 08/25/2008 9:17:58 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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