Just saw Expelled The Movie

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[woofer2425]

A fair and balanced presentation on Intelligent Design. I recommend seeing it.

[jonrick46]

Do you have any further comments?

[tokenatheist]

Did you prefer the nazi footage or the footage of Stalin?

[porter_knorr]

have you seen it?

[Oztrich Boy]

Did you prefer the nazi footage or the footage of Stalin?

It's all good.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

How young of a child would you take to see it?

[woofer2425]

I don’t want to say to much...because each person needs to see this movie. I will say that the ultimate goal of this presentation is to attempt to put Intelligent Design on the table for serious and detailed discussion by scientists and academians.

[Soliton]

The term “Intelligent Design” was coined by the Discovery Institute, a non-profit company that was incorporated specifically to get the story of Genesis taught in public schools (as specifically stated in the incorporation documents). To that end a Creationist textbook was published called Of Pandas and People.

In 1987, The Supreme Court of the United States ruled that teaching creationism in public schools violated the separation of church and state in Edwards vs. Aquilard.

In a similar later case, Kitzmiller vs. The Dover Area School District involving the school’s acquisition of Of Pandas and People, it was proven in court that the publishers and the people who financed the purchase lied in depositions when they stated that Intelligent Design wasn’t just another term for Creationism. They did this by showing that dozens of passages in the pre-1987 Edwards vs. Aquilard copies of the book used “Creation”, while later versions substituted “Intelligent Design” in its place.

The entire Intelligent Design movement is a dishonest, legalistic Trojan horse specifically intended to teach creationism in public school even though it is against the law.

Knowing ID’ers are liars, lawbreakers, and hypocrites.

Complete transcripts of Kitzmiller vs. Dover can be found here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/kitzmiller_v_dover.html

[Soliton]

Can you offer any empirical evidence for ID without mentioning Darwin, Evolution, or natural selection?

[woofer2425]

Jeeez...just carry yourself to your neighborhood theater and see for yourself. You don’t need me to tell you what to think.

[Liberty Valance]

Can you offer any empirical evidence for ID without mentioning Darwin, Evolution, or natural selection?



Absolutely!

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

Thanks - taking a group of 8 to see it tomorrow! Looking forward to it.

[Soliton]

I accept your evidence! :), Only God could createe a salmon as fine as that!

[jonrick46]

I heard bits of Ben Stein on Michael Medved’s radio program. From what I heard, the movie is a devestating blow to Darwinism.

It is my opinion that Darwinism has done lots of damage throughout human history. It has justified the inhumane treatment of human beings when one group believes they have a biological superiority.

I am looking forward to seeing this movie.

[dawn53]

We just saw it too. I thought it was very good. Maybe a little too slow for younger kids, but high school and college kids definitely need to see it. Raises very good questions about having open minded debates in a free society.

[PrairieDawg]

Can you tell me why biologists continue to teach stuff like "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" as absolute fact, still refer to Miller's experiment as "proof" of the primordial soup theory, and resort to telling everyone to shut up anytime anyone questions Darwin's authority?

Just wondering - I thought the movie was good and thought provoking. The consensus among climate people is that my SUV is causing global warming - does that make them right? And how is what they are doing (making global warming a necessary belief for grant money/tenure/etc) any different than what the biology departments do with evolution? And why are people so determined to pound evolution into the heads of people who's day to day tasks have nothing to do with evolution? I the movie we saw people who had been let go of their jobs teaching engineering and astronomy because they professed belief that some part of ID was plausible. What are you guys afraid of anyhow?

FRegards,
PrairieDawg

[I still care]

Just saw it. Incredible movie. I highly recommend.

What surprised me was that I don’t think people understand the movie is NOT about creationism, or even really intelligent design.

It’s about political correctness in academia and science. The example used is intelligent design, how it has been driven out of the science conversation, and how society has suffered because of the lack of debate.

It takes some good potshots at Dawkins (The god delusion) also. I imagine he does NOT like this movie at all.

[Lancey Howard]

Hopefully this movie will be shown regularly at school assemblies across the nation.

[PrairieDawg]

Free thinking isn't what high schoolers are being taught these days. Sad, but true. And if they can't change textbooks to de-emphasize Darwin, they certainly won't be showing this movie...

FRegards,
PrairieDawg (Dad of 2 teens)

[esquirette]

The thesis of the movie is that the very mention of the term ‘intelligent design’ or any other term that challenges Darwinism is met with frantic and hostile censure. Stein reminds us that free speech should be honored in academia, yet on this topic is strikingly absent. The movie identifies the fact that any treatment of origins ultimately resorts to some theory, and therefore all the evidence should be freely examined and discussed.