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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

I love sourdough and have worked with it for over 40 years.

LOL, you wouldn’t believe some of the messes I have created in this life, learning to make things out of a book....

Your sour dough post is excellent, makes my taste buds itch.

My last one, was 125 years old, from Alaska, I was lucky enough to be invited to the Ladies night at the Mormon Church, and they offered classes, one of which was Sour Dough baking....

I am sure that I still have a starter of it in the freezer, but it is going to be 10 years old.

If you are ever invited to a Ladies meeting at the Mormon Church, go, if it is the same as the Kingman one, it is a wonderful experience, complete with samples and how to’s, that a wife and mother can use for her family.

I had a small recipe book from Alaska, that had a Chocolate Sour Dough cake in it, that took 2 days to make and it was worth it, but it has disappeared and I could never find the recipe again.

My horses loved sourdough biscuits.


6,753 posted on 11/20/2008 8:26:19 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

You should consider this thread a work of love to all of us! It has so many great stories, ideas, recipes, etc. it reminds me of the Foxfire books I was introduced to in college. I’ve already told my husband a couple of your stories, in particular the one about the lost child you found on your land near Wellton, and the one about the flood and the guys who bought your old homemade grape-juice wine for a compressor. LOL what great stories!


6,758 posted on 11/20/2008 8:48:19 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
If you are ever invited to a Ladies meeting at the Mormon Church, go, if it is the same as the Kingman one, it is a wonderful experience, complete with samples and how to’s, that a wife and mother can use for her family.

That is good to hear. I have worked with Mormon folks, they are wonderful people, very hard-working. They are required by their church to have a store of food for a year and enough money for six months. They are full of faith and very practical. Great folks. There are a lot of Mormon folks in Clovis, California, just east of Fresno.

6,760 posted on 11/20/2008 8:54:52 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Alaskan Sourdough Chocolate Cake
This is the way most cakes were baked in Alaska in the early days before baking powder became more common.

1 cup thick sourdough starter
1 cup granulated sugar
1/2 cup shortening
2 eggs
1 cup evaporated milk
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
3 (1 ounce) squares semisweet chocolate
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
2 cups sifted all-purpose flour

Prepare a cup of thick sourdough starter the night before. Let sit in a warm spot overnight.

Cream sugar and shortening until light and fluffy. Beat in eggs, one at a time. Stir in sourdough starter, milk, vanilla extract, cinnamon and melted chocolate. Beat with rotary beater 2 minutes. Blend salt and baking soda together until smooth. Sprinkle over batter and fold in gently. Fold in flour until batter is smooth. Pour into 2 (8- or 9-inch) greased and floured pans. Bake at 350 degrees F for 25 minutes. When done, cake will spring back when pressed lightly with fingers and will shrink slightly from sides of pan.

Cool and frost with your favorite frosting.

Just for you, Granny.

http://7thspace.com/tasty_recipes/115620/alaskan_sourdough_chocolate_cake.html


6,761 posted on 11/20/2008 8:58:14 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: All; Calpernia

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6,762 posted on 11/20/2008 9:31:43 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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http://www.mainstreet.com/article/money/10-money-lessons-great-depression

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6,779 posted on 11/21/2008 1:53:49 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

http://www.pinchingyourpennies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46994

Shelf Life of Food Storage and other items

http://www.fmi.org/consumer/foodkeeper/brochure.cfm

After selecting food items, it’s up to you to take care of them properly.
The Food Keeper contains valuable food safety and storage advice to help you maintain the freshness and quality of foods that you purchase.

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Shelf life of foods and other items- How long to keep things on the shelf and other tips.

Canned Goods:
http://www.foodreference.com/html/t...dshelflife.html

Condiments:
http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/condiments.html

Other items:
http://www.a1usa.net/gary/expire.html

Hormel.com - for many different food groups not just Hormel Products

How to determine the shelf life of foods -

Kroger brand foods - How to read codes and tell Exp dates

Dept of Health Services - guidelines - charts with expiration guidelines of all foods

Cupboard storage chart - at bottom of this webpage This is a really good chart and is easily printed off to keep in your cupboards.

Dehydrated foods - how long to store

Shelf life of Pet Foods

Home canned foods

http://www.msnbc.com/OnAir/nbc/Dateline/Food/shelf.asp

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Consumer Reports definitions

READ more about it....

“Use by,” “best if used by,“ or “quality assurance” date:
The last date the product is likely to be at peak flavor and quality. One of these dates is often placed on foods such as cereal, which may decline in flavor and quality. It doesn’t mean the food is unsafe after that date.

“Sell by” or “pull”:
An indication, to the retailer, of the last day on which a product should be sold. It takes into account time for the food to be stored and used at home. You should buy it before the date, but don’t have to use it by then. You should be able to use milk, say, for up to about seven days after the sell-by date.

Pack or package date:
The date the food—fresh meat, for example—was packed or processed. Consumers can tell which package is fresher and choose that one. A pack date isn’t an indication of safety.

“Expiration”:
For most foods, this indicates the last date on which they should be eaten or used. Eggs are an exception: If you buy federally graded eggs before the expiration date (which must be no more than 30 days from when they were put in the carton), you should be able to use them safely for the next 3 to 5 weeks.

“Born on”:
Initiated by Anheuser-Busch, it’s supposed to let buyers choose the freshest beer. According to the company, its beer is freshest and tastes best within 110 days from the born-on date.

Coded date:
A series of letters or numbers or both used by the manufacturer to track foods across state lines and, if necessary, recall them. The code isn’t meant as a use-by date.

Other words to the wise:
As a rule, high-acid canned foods such as tomatoes can be stored on the shelf for 12 to 18 months; properly stored low-acid canned foods such as meat, fish, and most vegetables will keep 2 to 5 years. Don’t use a can that’s bulging. If perishable foods are packaged and frozen properly, they will be safe to eat after the expiration date, although the food may suffer freezer burn if it’s stored for a long time. And if a food bears a date without words? Unfortunately, you’ll have to guess what it means.
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Spring and Fall is a good time to Rotate your foodstorage!!!!

Check the dates on your stock pile and rotate.

Some stores have a caselot sale this week so restock your shelves!!

Monitor the usage of your canned vegies and fruits to see how much you will need to restock during the Fall months when the case lot sales are offered.

Use up your older cake mixes, pasta and other prepared mixes. You don’t want them to go stale or have weevils invade your pantry.
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Walton Feed/Rainy Day Foods - canned. (800)847-0465
New Code as of Sep 98
CODE:You’ll find 2ea 5 digit numbers on top of the can. The first number of 5 digits contains the internal code for product and batch number. The 2nd 5 digit number contains the date. The first three numbers is the day of the year. The last two digits reflect the year.
Example: 09899=98th day of the 99th year or 5 Apr 99.
SHELF LIFE: See our storage life of foods page.

Old Code Before Sep 98
Code: There’s a 5 digit number on top of the can. The first two numbers are a code for the food, the 3rd number is the year and the last two numbers are the month. Example: 47210=Oct 92; 59501=Jan 95
SHELF LIFE: See our storage life of foods page.


Bluebird Orange Juice - canned (800)237-7805
CODE: Write words...
“Chainstore”. Under each letter, put a number...
1234567890 This decifers the code. If the code reads ECCHO then the
date = 01/12/98.
SHELF LIFE: 2 years

American Fare Canola oil (K-mart) (800)842-7886
CODE: On a code of139C8, first 3 digits are Julian date. The C is the mfg plant. Last number is the year.
SHELF LIFE:: 1 year. If kept longer, might be okay, but check for odor.

Bush’s Baked Beans (1-423-588-7685)
CODE will indicate the date the food was packed.
Example: 9108A (translated: September 10, 1998)
9 = month = September
10 = day = 10th
8 = year = 1998
A = plant information
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened is good for 2 years from the packing date (i.e., September 10, 2001)

Capri Sun (800)227-7478 Capri Sun - Juice in pouches
CODE: First digit is the year (8 = 2008). Next three digits is the Julian date.
SHELF LIFE:: 18 months

Comstock Apples in can (800)270-2743
CODE: On second line, first digit is plant, middle 3 are Julian day of year. The next number is year, then 24 hour time.
SHELF LIFE:: 2-3 years

Del Monte (1-800-543-3090)
CODE will indicate date the food was packed.
Example: 8200V4120 (translated: July 19, 1998)

8 = year = 1998
200 = the 200th day in 1998 = July 19
V2140 = plant information
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened) is good for 2 years from packing date (i.e., July 19, 2000)


Dole canned juice (800)232-5942
SHELF LIFE:: 2 - 3 years

Fleischman’s Yeast (800)777-4959
Date is stamped. If you use it past the stamped date, you must first “PROOF” it. Proof it by bringing water to the temperature in the instructions on the back. Stir in 1 tsp of sugar and one packet of yeast. After five minutes it should begin to bubble. At the end of 10 minutes, it should have a rounded crown of foam on it. If this happens, yeast is active. (Be sure to deduct the water from your recipe)

Freshlike (1-920-435-5300)
CODE will indicate the date the food was packed.
Example: 7M831 (translated: August 31, 1997)

7 = year = 1997
M = plant
8 = month = August
31 = day of the month = 31
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened) is good for 2 years from the packing date (i.e., August 31, 1999)


Green Giant Vegetables (800)998-9996
CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year.
SHELF LIFE:: Beans 2 yrs. Corn/peas 3 yrs. Mushroms-4 yr

Hershey (1-800-468-1714)
CODE will indicate expiration date.
Example: 9ID (translated: September 1999)
9 = year = 1999
I = month (A-L) = September

Jif Peanut Butter

This date is printed in white near the universal product bar code “(UPC)” and might look something like this: 1122Y320.

CODE: First number is year, next three are the numeric day of the year

The first number represents the year it was made. 1 = 2001, 2 = 2002, etc. The next three numbers represent the day of the year the product was made. In our example, the 122 (or one hundred and twenty second day) is May 2.

For instance, the 1 in our example code means it was made in 2001. A number 0 would mean it was made in 2000, 9 in 1999, and so on.

The remaining numbers and letters are plant codes, which have nothing to do with the date.


Joan of Arc Beans
CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year.
SHELF LIFE:: 3 years.

Kraft Foods - Dream Whip www.kraftfoods.com
CODE: First number is year, next three numbers is Julian day of year.
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years.

Libby Vegetables (315)926-3225
CODE: 2nd digit is year, first letter is month, third digit is plant. Next 2 numbers is day of month
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years for most. Sauerkraut 18 months

Lipton Ragu pasta sauce in jar (800)328-7248
CODE: On first line the last four numbers are the Julian day and last number is year.
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years

Mariani Prunes (Sold at B.J.’s club)
CODE: First number is year, next three are Julian calendar.
SHELF LIFE:: 12 months.

Motts Apple juice & Apple Sauce in a glass jar (800)426-4891
CODE: After WA, first number is year, second two are month, next two are day.
SHELF LIFE:: One year

Nabisco Snackwells Granola Bars (800)622-4726
CODE: First number is year, next three are day.
SHELF LIFE:: 6-8 months

Nally Chili
Code: 81898 is Aug 18, 1998
Shelf Life: 24 Months from date on the can.

Nat’l Fruit Product Co. Whitehouse Apple juice (800)551-5167
CODE: First letter is plant, Next number is year, Next letter is product, Next 2 are day, then shift.
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years

Nestle Carnation or Contadina Products First letter is year, next is month, then year.

Nestle Juicy Juice (800)637-8532
CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day
SHELF LIFE:: 14 mo for most. Strawberry - 8 months
Nestle Libby Nectar juice in a can (800)637-8532
CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day.
SHELF LIFE:: Apricot - 24 mo. Peach - 24 mo. Pear - 24 mo. Strawbry - 6 mo. Papaya - 12 mo.


Peter Pan Peanut Butter (1-800-222-7370)
CODE will indicate the date the food was packed.
Example: D87F2 (translated: July 1998)
D = plant
8 = year = 1998
7 = month = July
F2 = plant information
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened) is good for 1 year from the packing date (i.e., July 1999)

Planters Peanuts (1-800-622-4726)
CODE will indicate expiration date.
Example: 0209A4 (translated: July 27, 2000)
0 = year = 2000
209 = 209th day of 2000 = July 27
A4 = plant information


Princella (1-800-234-ALLEN)
Code will indicate the date the food was packed.
Example: 82003 (translated: July 19, 1998)

8 = year = 1998
200 = 200th day of 1998 = July 19
3 = the shift the food was packed
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened) is good 2 years from the packing date (i.e., July 19, 2000)


Proctor & Gamble Criso & Butter flavor Crisco (800)543-7276

CODE: Code on both: First number is year. Next three are Julian calendar.
SHELF LIFE:: Reg crisco in can has indefinite shelf life. Should be used within 12 months of opening.
**Butter flavor has a shelf life of 18 months, to be used within 6-12 months of opening.


Progresso Black Beans (800)200-9377
CODE: First letter is month, Next number is year, next letter is mfg plant, next two numbers, day of month. L7N26 = 12/26/97
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years
Progresso Soups (800)200-9377
CODE: First letter is month, Next number is year, next letter is mfg plant, next two numbers, day of month. L7N26 = 12/26/97
SHELF LIFE:: 3 years


Publix Cereal, boxed. Date printed on box is “pull date”
SHELF LIFE:: 12-18 months
Publix Coffee, instant Has “best if used by” date stamped on label
SHELF LIFE:: 1 year

Publix Coffee, regular brick
CODE: First 3 digits are Julian date, 4th is year.
SHELF LIFE:: 1 year

Publix Evaporated milk (800)242-1227
CODE: First digit year, next 3 is Julian date
SHELF LIFE:: 18-24 mo

Publix Jelly/Jam/Choc Syrup Has “best if used by” date stamped on label
SHELF LIFE:: 1 year

Publix Nondairy Creamer Has “best if used by” date stamped on label
SHELF LIFE:: 12 mo

Publix Peanut Butter Has “best if used by” date stamped on label
SHELF LIFE:: 1 year

Publix Veggies in can (305)652-2411, ask for Annette Vaughn at X3870
CODE: First dig is year, 2nd is month. The mo is represented by a number from Jan to Sept. For Oct, Nov, or Dec, it is represented by a O, N, or D
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years


Skippy Peanut Butter
CODE: First digit is month, next two the day, letter is mfg plant, and last number is year.
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years

Speas Apple Juice (1-717-677-8181)
CODE:
1st line - product code
2nd line - packing information
Example: MKY17D (translated: November 17, 1997)
M = plant
K = month (A-L) = November
Y = fiscal year = 1997
L = 7/1/1998 to 6/30/1999
U = 7/1/1994 to 6/30/1995
C = 7/1/1995 to 6/30/1996
K = 7/1/1996 to 6/30/1997
Y = 7/1/1997 to 6/30/1998
(On July 1, 1999, the letter U will change to 7/1/1999 to 6/30/2000)
17 = calendar day = 17th
D = unknown
SHELF LIFE: Product (unopened) is good for 1 year from packing date (i.e., December 17, 1998)


Starkist Tuna (800)252-1587 www.starkist.com
CODE: Last letter on second row is year, with G= 1998, F=1997, E=1996. Three numbers before that are Julian calendar day
SHELF LIFE:: 4-6 years

Sweet Sue Chicken & Dumplings and Chicken Noodle (800)633-3294
CODE: On 1st line - last # is year. On 2nd line - first 2 numbers are the month, next 2 numbers are day.
SHELF LIFE:: 2 years

Uncle Ben’s (1-800-548-6253)
CODE will indicate the date the food was packed.
Example: 823AB (translated: June 1, 1998)
8 = year = 1998
23 = 23rd week of 1998 = week of June 1
AB = plant information
SELF LIFE Product (unopened) is good for 2 years from the packing date (i.e., June 1, 2000)

Welches Grape Juice - Plastic bottle.(800)240-6870
CODE: First number is year, letter is manufacturing plant, next 2 numbers are day of month, next letter is month A=Jan, B=Feb, etc.
SHELF LIFE:: One year


6,798 posted on 11/22/2008 4:23:18 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: All; milford421; LibWhacker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132283/posts?page=2

F.D.A. Detains Chinese Imports for Testing
NY Times ^ | 11/13/08 | GARDINER HARRIS and ANDREW MARTIN

Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 2:42:35 PM by LibWhacker

Candy, snacks, bakery products, pet food and other Chinese products that contain milk will be detained at the border until tests prove that they are not contaminated, the federal government announced Thursday.

[A little late getting this posted, but then I am that far behind on my pings...granny]


6,800 posted on 11/22/2008 6:37:46 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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