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Better 30-30 gun for whitetails: Ruger Mini-30 or Auto Ordnance M1 carbine?
Vanity | 3-8-08 | Me

Posted on 03/08/2008 5:43:28 PM PST by Last Dakotan

These two are comparable in price and probably in performance. Looks like the M1 is about 1-1/2 lb. lighter. Suggestions?


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KEYWORDS: 3030; banglist; firearms; hunting
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To: BikerTrash
I often wonder why Weatherby stuff isn't more popular. They used to seem pricey but not so much anymore. I had a .460 that I really liked to shoot just for the thrill of it, and the entire time I had it there was not any unwanted elephant activity in my county.

I think that a big part of it is that while it seems really cool to have something like that... Many years ago I was going to buy a TC Contender chambered in .375JDJ, at the time, the handgun version of a .460 Weatherby! Well, either that or 45-70 or .444Marlin. Anyway, as I was getting older it occurred to me that spending a bunch of money on a handgun that I'd probably fire fewer than 20 times a year just to see how much punishment I could handle just didn't make any sense, even if it meant that I wouldn't be able to guarantee that an elephant would stay out of my pajamas. So I came to my senses and bought a Ruger Redhawk in .44Mag... With the 180gr JHP or 300gr Sierra and LOTS of WW296, it was plenty of fun to shoot but at the same time it was far more flexible (though having interchangable barrels would have been nice in the TC).

Mark

101 posted on 03/09/2008 6:52:44 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: Copernicus
It is a .308 diameter projectile (bullet) so I found it just as easy to pick up a used Ishapore Enfield chambered in .308 Winchester (cartridge).

Good grief, I just looked this up and the .303 British has one "Plinker" projectile (bullet) in .308 diameter and the others are all .311 diameter.

What a difference a loading maual makes!

Note to self: check before posting.

102 posted on 03/09/2008 6:53:50 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Copernicus
I have an Ishapore Enfield in .308 as well as a good mix of other Enfields in .303.

.30-06 vs .308 or .303 vs .308 - Sigh, I like the “real deal” better.

Don't get me started on my 8MM Mausers.

:-)

103 posted on 03/09/2008 6:56:16 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Squantos
Nice to be able to get a real military assault weapon delivered that way still........LOL !

Please... Let's keep the nomenclature straight... It's NOT an "assault weapon." It's a "Battle Rifle!" Boy, wouldn't THAT just get the GGs panties in a twist?!?!

Mark

104 posted on 03/09/2008 6:56:18 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: Kitanis
So what are you going to use the Bayonet for?

Skinning!

;-}

105 posted on 03/09/2008 6:57:27 AM PDT by reg45
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To: MarkL
I think that it's fairly safe to say that many people, myself included, think of cartridges in "family groups."

It may be one of those "gun" things.

In the reloading manual universe the family groups are fairly big with just the bullet diameter. Expanding into multiple bullet diameters can make things really unwieldy. Though I just learned how treacherous things can be with the .303 British.

There was a pretty good food fight on another thread a while back about the proper nomenclature for the .45 pistol cartridge.

The poster of the first part insisted the proper industry term was .45 ACP while the poster of the second part said .45 Auto was equally acceptable.

You can find commercially available ammo from reputable companies with either term printed on the box.

I stayed out of that particular kerfuffle.

Best regards,

106 posted on 03/09/2008 7:04:27 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Wildbill22
Ruger has done a lot in it's Mini rifles to address their notorious inaccuracy. I have one, and had one before the newer version...

How can I tell the difference if I'm looking at used mini 30's? How do I avoid that inaccurate designs?

107 posted on 03/09/2008 7:05:46 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: reg45

It’d be also mighty handy for commiting hari-kari when the damn thing jams and the bucks are gathering for the charge!


108 posted on 03/09/2008 7:10:09 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Copernicus

Actually, I was one of those “kerfuffle-ized” for calling it .45ACP.

I was “informed” in no uncertain terms that the CORRECT nomenclature is “.45 Auto.”

I told him, “I don’t care.” Frankly, when I say “.45 ACP,” people know what I’m talking about, and it it pisses off the guy who insisted that I call it something else, so much the better.

I am aware of the importance of being quite specific on bullet diameters while reloading... Though things can get a bit touchy... For example, when I reloaded .357 mag or .38 special, I used .357 bullets, no matter if they were cast or jacketed. However when I reloaded 9mm, the cast bullets were .355, while the jacketed bullets were .356. And I don’t know why that was. Those were just the diameters of the bullets I was able to buy.

But while “Bench Racing” with guns, I’ve always been less precise than when actually reloading ammunition.

Mark


109 posted on 03/09/2008 7:50:03 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: Boundless

Nope. The M1 Carbine fires a round called the .30 carbine.
It’s basically a pistol cartridge.


And what a great pistol round, one of my favorites, if you can stand the noise and about a 3 ft flame coming out.


110 posted on 03/09/2008 8:17:41 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

> And what a great pistol round [the .30 carbine],
> one of my favorites, if you can stand the noise
> and about a 3 ft flame coming out.

It’s probably ok in that role if you handload with
faster burning pistol propellants. Then the main
annoyance is that tapered case which has to be
lubricated for resizing.


111 posted on 03/09/2008 8:29:22 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: MarkL
I remember that guy. He claimed to have worked for SAAMI. He had the same problem with people who would post “Long Colt”.
I asked him one time if he could help out with his experience from SAAMI since he knew so much. He didn't reply. I then checked his posting history if he had ever tried to help others in understanding ballistics. He didn't have much of a posting history. It seems he would lurk until someone pressed his button on wrong nomenclatures.

That's when I stopped posting to him. It wasn't worth the effort.

112 posted on 03/09/2008 8:29:28 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Boundless

I lubricate all cases. I bought Dillon’s spray lube. When the cases come out of the brass polisher, I lay them down on a disposable oven drip pan and spray once or twice. I’ve had the same spray bottle for years.

The pan also allows me to do another inspection since it’s easier once the cases are clean. Cracks and dents show up easier.


113 posted on 03/09/2008 8:36:04 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: djf

Remington?


114 posted on 03/09/2008 8:36:46 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: MarkL; Copernicus
For example, when I reloaded .357 mag or .38 special, I used .357 bullets, no matter if they were cast or jacketed. Oops! I just found some old notes... My .357 Magnum and .38 special cast bullets WERE both .357 and .358, not only .357. Sorry. Mark
115 posted on 03/09/2008 8:37:42 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

A couple ways. The newer Mini-30 is not available in blue/wood configuration, and has a newer front site, rounded receiver edges, and has serial numbers starting with “581”. The 580 is the newer Mini-14. Ruger did a major retooling in 2006, and these changes reflect the newer design, along with better construction tolerances. Accuracy is suppose to be significantly better, and I believe this to be so.


116 posted on 03/09/2008 8:40:25 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Polynikes
Your father took elk with a 30-30? Must have been very confident. I have seen 30-30’s bounce of boars at 100 yards. Seen mule deer walk away from a direct 30-30 hit.
117 posted on 03/09/2008 8:42:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: MarkL

Sorry the sarcasm of that was lost on ya.......


118 posted on 03/09/2008 8:58:23 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: Wildbill22; GOP_Party_Animal
The 580 is the newer Mini-14. Ruger did a major retooling in 2006...

The knowledge base on FR is amazing.

119 posted on 03/09/2008 8:59:21 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Squantos
Sorry the sarcasm of that was lost on ya.......

No, I caught yours... I think that you missed mine...

Mark

120 posted on 03/09/2008 9:01:52 AM PDT by MarkL
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