Posted on 03/07/2008 11:56:33 AM PST by GQuagmire
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and your third grade teacher have some strikingly wrong similarities They’re both bloated, dowdy and prissy fossils that are way too full of unconditional love. Oh, and they both get positively giddy over James Taylor’s chardonnay-and-brie, adult-contemporary lullabies.
The Hall of Fame induction committee has never wanted to hurt anyone’s feelings or make tough decisions - like actually defining what is and isn’t rock ’n’ roll - so for 22 years it has distributed inductions like Miss Anderson handed out ribbons on diorama day.
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That statement couldn't be farther from the truth. It's just that nobody ever hears them anymore. Check out Reverend Horton Heat and you'll hear what I mean.
You outlined in your first paragraph exactly why I’m right. Motown was largely ignored by the MSM, the MSM that basically completely decided in the 60s what was and wasn’t popular music. Motown was finding an audience, but it was not ruling the airwaves, rock had been kicked off the airwaves for a large variety of reasons, most of which are kind of sad and pathetic.
Again: the plural of anecdote is not fact. Just because your “all over” family was buying it doesn’t mean it was being successful in America, it wasn’t. That is the fact, all of your family anecdotes cannot change that simple true fact.
I knew before I even finished reading your post that you were female (not that there's anything wrong with that. :-)). I like a lot of the Bee Gee's stuff too, but no matter how you slice it, it ain't rock and roll.
And just because you read it in a book doesn’t make it fact either. It’s just how you read it.
So to state that the Beatles brought Rock and Roll back to America is just plain silly. It never left.
Without the payola scandals, where ASCAP did a really good job of squashing BMI, the Rock that was here would have been played. Nothing left America, the media made it out that way. It’s how they wanted it packaged for the parents. The kids knew better. All across the country.
Just like Hannah Montana today, the parents like the kids liking her. The Beatles were preferable to Colored Music.
Saw the (Joe Walsh) Eagles in concert once. Amazing that he's been in the band since about 1977, but he's still performing his own stuff in concert. He punched up their sound, but he's really not fully integrated into the act after all these years. I could have done without about half the rest of the concert.
The statement was whether they should be included in the R&R Hall of Fame.
After forty years in the business and what their accomplishments are, yes they should. Go back to the Wiki article to see why.
The Beatles put R&B through an English music hall filter annd brought attention to it in a way that American radio wasn’t at the time. You do know the Bee Gees started out as Beatles imitators. Some people thought BG stoood for BEatles Group since they sounded so much alike.
You really need to listen to what you’re saying. First you say it never left, then you say it stopped getting played. Which is it? Can’t be both, not in the 60s. It either never left or it stopped being played. And we know the truth, it stopped being played, that means it DID leave.
The Beatles, with all their faults and flaws, DID bring rock back to America. That is the truth, and you accidentally admitted it.
And of course none of that changes the fact that the Bee Gees never have been and never will be a rock and roll band and their placement in the Hall is one of the many factors that makes it a complete and total joke, a travishamockery.
No, it was the BeeGees. I’m just not into their disco stuff.
Odessa and Main Course are my fav albums.
Well remember that for most of that there were no Eagles, and Walsh has done a lot more (and a lot better, no Eagles album can hold a candle to Confessor) on his own than with the Eagles.
‘She Loves You’ is one of THE quitessential rock singles. It’s used as an example of the form along with Satisfaction and Gloria. Muddy Waters and B.B. King? Can you say Apples and Oranges? It’s like comparing them to Jelly Roll Morton.
>>You do know the Bee Gees started out as Beatles imitators. Some people thought BG stoood for BEatles Group since they sounded so much alike.<<
No, they didn’t. They were a kid group out of Australia.
People compared them, but they weren’t imitators. This is the point though, they were influencial but not given the credit.
Are Simon and Garfunkel rock? Is Aretha Franklin?
Their early records made in the late 60s sounded very Beatle-esque. Odessa was a Sgt Pepper rip off.
It might be quintessential but that doesn’t make it listenable saccharine crap. It is the quintessential example of everything that’s wrong with Top 40 music still to this day, stupid lyrics, boring song, complete pap.
You asked for an apples and oranges comparison. You wanted to know what early 60s act was less saccharine, those were early 60s acts that were less saccharine.
Simon and Garfunkel no, brilliant and wonderful but not rock. Aretha yes, blues, R&B and soul are all vital pieces to the concept of rock.
You could say ‘I Saw Her Standing There’ is sacharainne too. It’s still rock at its finest. They raised the standards of American pop music in the mid 60s which was previously dominated by true sacharaaine like Paul Anka and Pat Boone.
But what in the world makes you think that because it wasn't on the Billboard top 40, it left? That isn't how it was. Otherwise Motown would have died.
If you think that the only music around was the singles played on the top 40s board, you don't know how it was. The music was here. It always was.
But we'll have to agree to disagree and in the meantime the people who run the committee have put the BeeGees in. I think it should be for writing not performing but who am I?
I defy anyone to listen to the Beatles' "Bad Boy," not to mention "Day Tripper" and "I Feel Fine" from the early sixties and claim that it's not rock and roll. I also defy anyone to listen to the Beatles' "Live at the BBC" album and claim that they weren't a rock and roll band. We get that you don't like the Beatles, and I admit that they did do some saccharine stuff, much of which I also like, but one simply can't legitimately claim that they weren't a rock and roll band. My gosh, the so-called King of Rock did "Love Me Tender."
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