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To: penelopesire

In response to your message in the thread that got locked

Yeah, I already had read that this morning.

There’s NO use for ricin other than killing people.

When used in “cancer research” it is a chemically altered state that is used and not directly from a castor bean.

That someone even brings that up as a possibility tells me precisely how ignorant they are, whether is is a newsie, or a cop.

I can PROMISE you there are VERY few COPS that know anything about castor beans and ricin other than the crap they’ve read in the main stream media.


19 posted on 02/29/2008 6:29:15 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Very strange that the MSM just brushes over this stuff all the time. What ever happened to the Anthrax case?


22 posted on 02/29/2008 6:32:36 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Rick.Donaldson
“There’s NO use for ricin other than killing people.”

I just googled ‘ricin medical uses’and found this on the CDC Site:

Ricin has some potential medical uses, such as bone marrow transplants and cancer treatment (to kill cancer cells).

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricin#Potential_medicinal_use

25 posted on 02/29/2008 6:38:11 AM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Ricin is a potent biological toxin (toxic protein) derived from part of the “waste” mash when beans from the castor plant (Ricinus communis) are processed during manufacture of castor oil.

Ricin is a stable substance, affected very little by extreme conditions, such as very hot or very cold temperatures.

Ricin can be in the form of a powder, a mist, a pellet, or it can be dissolved in water or weak acid. It is water-soluble, odorless, tasteless, and stable under ambient conditions.

Depending on the route of exposure (such as injection or inhalation), as little as 500 µ of ricin could be enough to kill an adult. A greater amount would be needed to cause death if ricin were ingested.

The extent of manifestations of ricin poisoning in humans depends on the amount of ricin to which a person was exposed, route of exposure, and extent of organ involvement.

Significant exposure to ricin would result in a relatively rapid, progressive worsening of symptoms over approximately 4 to 36 hours.

Death may occur within 36 hours of exposure. If death has not occurred by 5 days from exposure, the victim usually recovers.

It would take a deliberate act to manufacture ricin to poison people.

There have been several instances of ricin procurement for use as a terrorist or criminal weapon.

As a chemical weapon, ricin may be dispersed as a mist or powder, used to poison water or to contaminate food, or injected as a liquid into a person's body.

No antidote exists for ricin.

The most important factor is to avoid exposure. If exposure cannot be avoided, then the most important factors are to get ricin off or out of the body as quickly as possible, and to provide supportive medical care. Ricin poisoning represents a potential public health emergency and should be reported to public health agencies and the regional poison control center.

35 posted on 02/29/2008 6:46:57 AM PST by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
“There’s NO use for ricin other than killing people.”

Ricin is used in several types of bioresearch, to inhibit certain protein synthesis pathways, and for other ways to control what goes on in cells. In particular it can be used to inactivate the 60 S ribosomal subunit of eukaryotic cells.

It’s available as a pure chemical derived from castor bean, from many biotech suppliers, as are subchains and derivatives of ricin, all of which start with castor, since a full synthetic synthesis is more costly.

A package of ricin in a motel room, though? I don’t have all the facts but somehow I doubt there was a strong interest in modulating mitochondrial peptide functions in vitro.

98 posted on 02/29/2008 8:02:33 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Rick.Donaldson

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1600-0854.2006.00527.x

These guys bought their ricin from, wait, I won’t post that, no need, it’s in the paper. It’s a well known chemical company.

Re post 102, looks like this is getting serious!


108 posted on 02/29/2008 8:15:33 AM PST by DBrow
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