Posted on 02/08/2008 10:31:24 AM PST by rkoliver
Well he also participated in the filibuster.
June 10, 1964
Civil Rights Filibuster Ended
At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier. The subject was the pending Civil Rights Act of 1964, a measure that occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey, the bill's manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate.
Perhaps an overstatement, as it is likely there were some in the border states. However, they were most definitely a tiny minority.
The people who owned slaves are dead. Only they would have the ability to apologize. This “apology” PC culture is stoooopid.
No, unless they still have been keeping slaves. But they should apologize to the African-American community for the bondage that has plagued it as a result of Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society”.
I don’t think it’s a question of whether they should. They will. In fact, if Obama is elected, they’ll start with the apology and admission of guilt. Then they’re move quickly to reparations. And finally, you are going to see the confiscation of white farms in the south by the end of his second term. It will all be done in the name of “affirmative action” — which they will tout as a well-established and respected principle of law.
I understand the valid point you are making, that many think Democrats have always been anti slavery. The democrats in much of the South referred to themselves as the Southern Rights Party...and the right was to own slaves.
This line, however, doesn’t compliment the republicans.
“The Republican Party was born in the early 1850’s by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge.”
Those advocating settling ‘western lands’ were known as Free Soilers. The lands they were after, and got, were the last of the lands given by treaty to the Native Indians. NOT something to be proud of.
“Hence, there were no Republican slave masters at all.
Perhaps an overstatement, as it is likely there were some in the border states. However, they were most definitely a tiny minority.”
Not sure about that. There were many black slave owners, as well as native American slave owners.
The dims should just apologize for being dims.
Not until the descendants of the families who owned the slave ships which brought slaves to the USofA apologize to the American Public for making money off of selling human beings.
Not until the "Party of Lincoln" apologizes to the American Public for the tens of thousands of former slaves who died as a result of their Lincoln-liberation with no resources provided for their welfare.
If there are going to be apologies, then everyone who is or has had any power in politics in the USofA owes apologies to their constituents and to the American Public in general for voting their pocketbook instead of for the good of the American Public. Apologies are owed for taking lobbyists money, for lying under oath, for all manner of unethical, indecent, and immoral behaviors perpetuated on the American Public by the entire Federal, State and Local Governments and the various politicians. There is no way that what has gone before can be excused with just a wordy apology. The American Public needs to see moral and ethical deeds and actions out of its Federal, State and Local politicians.
Judges who have legislated from the Bench owe the American Public apologies and promises to refrain from such activity in the future.
The ACLU owes apologies to the American Public for attacking the good, the moral and the ethical in favor of the evil, the immoral and the unethical.
Illegal Aliens having entered the USofA unlawfully and having used resources intended for US Citizens owe the American Public an apology as they return to their home countries and complete the necessary paperwork to enter the USofA legally and lawfully.
Criminals owe apologies and restitution for those they have harmed. Murderers owe apologies to the families of those they have killed including admitting their guilt in Court.
The Democrat(not 'ic') Party AND the Republican Party of today are NOT the Parties of the late Nineteenth Century. Today's political Parties are not responsible for slavery.
Why don't you request apologies from countries and nations which CURRENTLY promote slavery? Look at our "allies" who still promote slavery in their countries (and who bring that mind-set to the USofA). Preach to them. No one "owes" anyone an apology. Everyone "owes" everyone moral and ethical words and deeds.
Is slavery really the issue here? Is not the real, the honest issue the way each person treats others?
Neither group was allowed to vote at the time.
The GOP was founded as explicitly against the spread of slavery and in favor of its eventual extinction. This was a quite unremarkable position for slaveowners in the early years of the country, and indeed was the position held (in theory, anyway) by Washington, Jefferson, Madison and most of the other leading slaveowning politicians of the time.
By 1856, however, positions had hardened and for a slaveowner to join the GOP he would have had to be willing to call down on his head the universal anger of his compatriots.
Got a little touch of ADD today?
Making the demand would put the Klintoons on the spot, so it’s worth it for that purpose.
And J.W. Fulbright, Bill Clinton's mentor.
Not until the "Party of Lincoln" apologizes to the American Public for the tens of thousands of former slaves who died as a result of their Lincoln-liberation with no resources provided for their welfare.
Tens of thousands? What lost cause propaganda sheet did you get that misinformation from?
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Not until the “Party of Lincoln” apologizes to the American Public for the tens of thousands of former slaves who died as a result of their Lincoln-liberation with no resources provided for their welfare.
Actually, HO is pretty close. The best information I’ve found on this is testimonies from Freedman slaves who were interviewed in 1937.
Here’s how one put it:
“”Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a
great man, but I was told mostly by the children when dey come home from school about him. I always think of my Master as de one dat freed me, and anyways Abraham and none of his North people didn’t look after
me and buy my crop right after I was free like Master did. Dat was de time dat was the hardest and everything was dark and confusion.”
Thousands of ‘freed’ slaves were held at Ft. Gibson and many forts where they mostly starved and froze to death.
Testimonies of Cherokee Freedmen Slaves, A 1937 WPA project. Records prepared by the Federal Writers’ Project 1936-1938 assembled by the Library of Congress Work Projects, Administration for the Dist. Of Columbia http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/w#a3906
I googled Ft. Gibson + Freed slaves and can find nothing about that. There was a mention of Cherrokee (many of them black slaves) dying 30 years earlier during the Trail of Tears while heading for Ft. Gibson.
Here's the only mentions I could find of a slave at Ft. Gibson after the war. There is no mention of starvation.
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/cow_tom.htm
You’ll have to do years of reading to understand this. I’ve just finished writing a book about it all. What do you suppose happened to those thousands of slaves after they left their homes during the constant battles of the Civil War?
There was simply no arrangement made for their ‘freedom’. Many of the men joined the Union Army leaving the women and children with no where to go but the forts. Many joined the Confederacy. The whites and Indians in those areas became refugees, so did the slaves. Thousands of Cherokee refugees died.
I have letters written by my grgrgrandparents describing the situation. There’s plenty on the net. Here’s some more reading:
Richard B. Harwell, The Confederate Reader: How the South Saw the Way.
(New York: N\Metro Book, 2002).
Alvin M. Josephy, jr., The Civil War in the American West. (New York:
Alfred E. Knopf, 1991).
Cherokee Cavaliers: Forty Years of Cherokee History as Told in the Correspondence
of the Ridge-Watie-Boudinot Family by Edward Everett Dale, Gaston Litton
Cherokee Cavaliers: Forty Years of Cherokee History as Told in the Correspondence
of the Ridge-Watie-Boudinot Family by Edward Everett Dale, Gaston Litton
Western History Collection, “Chronicles of Oklahoma”, University of Oklahoma
Keep reading.
“Here’s the only mentions I could find of a slave at Ft. Gibson after the war. There is no mention of starvation.”
I’m going to give you a snip from a book that will show you just one of the reasons why they indeed starved at Ft. Gibson. It wasn’t just slaves, it was union sympathetic refugees as well. Union and Confederate refugee citizens couldn’t feed themselves, much less ‘freed’ slaves.
” Even as the Union Sixth Cavalry marched to Cabin Creek, Watie and Gano raced to intersect the supply train. On the way thJim Bell could often be heard lamenting various forms of the same theme during this time and many years later as well. “ I would like to ask Mr. Lincoln what his plan is for his ‘emancipated’ slaves. What is he freeing them to do but be homeless, defenseless, hungry beggars driven to thievry. Bah!”ey burned tons of hay and killed a party of forty Federal blacks engaged in the harvest. They continued on the Texas Road to Cabin Creek, where they captured the Federal supply train holding clothing, food and a million and half dollars worth of provisions meant for refugees and Federal troops holding up at Fort Gibson.”(That’s in 1864 dollars!-believe me, they starved at Ft. Gibson that winter)
From a letter:
“I am satisfied that you have already heard rumors that we are ruined beyond remedy. How does it happen that you always hear everything from the common in it’s worst aspect. It is bad enough to tell the truth or well enough to do so, but to go beyond that is criminal. It can do no good, but a great deal of harm to exaggerate things as many of our people do.
But it is true out of five thousand , one thousand are without arms and many have not clothing to change, without shoes and what any one in their right senses would say was
in a deplorable condition looking more like Siberian exiles than soldiers.
Still I am constrained to say that they are never called on to make a stand against the enemy but they do so cheerfully and with a determination that no one would expect.
We are neglected. The Confederacy certainly does not know our condition. Good soldiers, but without the means of resistance, but we are neither discouraged or whipped and God forbid we ever shall be. Times are hard. No one starved yet though. (1863 -— they soon starved !) I have been in an almost nude condition. I have still got an old gray shirt and pants on. They are thread bear. “
Another letter:
In the summer of 1864 at Camp Jumper, ten miles north of Perryville, Stand Watie wrote to his wife the only news of the war the family was likely to obtain other than the usual persistent rumors.
“The Pins are now near the river opposite to Fort Smith. Creeks and few other troops about 1200 at Gibson. Lieut. Col. James Bell took a scout with a hundred men to near Fort Smith, killed one notorious Captain by the name of Gibbons who was a terror to the southern people and brought in three Federal prisoners. Arkansas river is very high, a portion of the cavalry force of my command is on the other side of the Canadian. Cooper with the Choctaws, Gans Brigade, is at Johnsons Station. Maxey is at Doaksville. There are some four thousand men at Fort Smith. The main army of the Federals at Little Rock. It cannot be long before a general move is made in the direction of Arkansas river. The union citizens of Washington and Benton Counties are moving out north.”
My grgrgrandfather:
Jim Bell could often be heard lamenting various forms of the same theme during this time and many years later as well. “ I would like to ask Mr. Lincoln what his plan is for his ‘emancipated’ slaves. What is he freeing them to do but be homeless, defenseless, hungry beggars driven to thievery.”
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